Custom/Hybrid Aftermarket Hull Registration and HIN Talk

[Little_Franny]

Ok, called Trenton today and talked to 6 people. The first guy was the most receptive and agreed I had everything I needed, but he couldn't help me with the local office telling me no. Everyone else just passed me off to the next person who could care less.

So I said **ck it and drove 30 miles north to the next closest DMV office. The lady could not have been nicer, and even said she had done this before with a jetski. I didnt have everything she asked for but was at least able to give me a printout with all the required documents and said it won't be a problem.

In NJ you need the following:
HIN inspection report, filled out by NJ state marine police (had this)
Color photos showing all 4 sides of ski
Any receipts for materials and parts used (had this)
notarized statement describing construction and where any parts came from that you don't have reciepts for
Registration from donor ski if your using one (had this)

I needed the photos and notarized letter, but will be going back on Thursday to finalize everything.

Anyone in South Jersey that needs to do this, I highly recommend the Cardiff office behind the shore mall in Mayslanding.

Jon

 

[Little_Franny]

Faith has been restored in the DMV, got a call back from the first dmv this morn and they got it all straightened out with Trenton and I can go to my local office and register as homemade boat with no mso or serial number. I will have reg #s this afternoon.

Jon

 

[Little_Franny]

Success, all that hassle for a $12 fee. Ski is now registered as a 2014 Krash

They even give you a stainless number plate in NJ

 

[OCD Solutions]

Awesome, one more a/m ski registered and one more office educated on how to do it. That's a win win!

 

[txsuperjetfreak96]

My experience with TPWD is that it all depends on the clerk and how they are feeling/how nice you are to them. I've never registered a home built, but I've dealt with missing title issues and tracking down ownership history. I've researched the home built laws here and the process doesn't seem too bad. If I recall correctly, the hull does need to be brought to the TPWD office for an inspection. There is a document on the TPWD site somewhere that outlines exactly what is needed and even specifically says that a HIN will be issued by TPWD if not present on a home built.

Go early in the morning and with a smile. Like all of us, they get more irritable as the day goes on and the number of stupid people they have dealt with increases. Good luck, keep us posted how it goes.


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Went down there today told theme needed to get aftermarket hull titled. Told me I needed to get inspected first need my invoice fill out application. Then she said the dreaded word need to bring mso

 

[Little_Franny]

As stated earlier in thread, call it a home made boat, or they get hung up on MSO's and stuff like that. Give them little info, only answer questions asked

 

[txsuperjetfreak96]

Yeah I knew better. I got two inspectors phone numbers. I'm gonna go ahead and get it inspected and c bout going back in a week or so and do it homebuilt

 

[Jetfiend]

Yeah I knew better. I got two inspectors phone numbers. I'm gonna go ahead and get it inspected and c bout going back in a week or so and do it homebuilt

Homebuilt was the way to go in CA. My WDK was still difficult to insure because CA DMV issues a shorter HIN than an OEM, so I had to prove my hull existed with pictures of @Wetdreams custom HIN tags installed.

 

[wanderer1]

Do many A/M hull builders now, they are more common place, but still small piece when dealing with the DMV. Sure would make things A LOT easier for the consumer if these hull builders would include an MSO. I'm not sure what this would entail for the manufacturer, but would be a big positive for the end user and could possibly sway a purchase.

 

[Jetfiend]

Do many A/M hull builders now, they are more common place, but still small piece when dealing with the DMV. Sure would make things A LOT easier for the consumer if these hull builders would include an MSO. I'm not sure what this would entail for the manufacturer, but would be a big positive for the end user and could possibly sway a purchase.

I believe the ski has to be complete and meet USCG standards and testing for an OEM to issue an MSO. I know the ski clinic has experience with this process.

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[wanderer1]

Complete RTR is for issuance of a H.I.N., MSO can be issued for just completed hull is, is the information I got.

 

[Tyrant1919]

About time!

 

[Yami-Rider]

My footrocket is now titled as a 2014 krash ind. footrocket. I live in Ok., the whole process took a month from when I started to when I had title in hand. Totals fees with 3 year tag ($88) was $212. I told them it was a home built hull kit. Now we just need some warmer weather so I can get back to riding, legally now .

The whole process was less painful then I expected. OK. Issues you a vin# sticker for the engine bay, then you have to make a metal one for the outside of the hull. Had to meet with the highway patrol and go to the DMV 3 times.

 

[Allistah]

How many people have done this in California? Any issues that I should know about before I attempt to go register my Trinity ski? Any tricks I should know about before going?

 

[Tyrant1919]

Bring receipts for the hull. Either materials used to make the hull or the receipt from Trinity. They're going to want to tax something. That's amount is what they're going to tax. If you've already paid tax on the purchase of the hull, you shouldn't have to pay anything else besides the registration fee.

 

[Baja 252]

After a few months I'm finally done with title, registration and insurance on our new Rickter. It's been a long road with many many hurdles, dead ends and nights of banging my head against the wall, but it's worth it to have a US Coast Guard approved HIN number, a title for a 2016 Rickter and a legal registration for our ski.

I didn't want to title it as a homemade ski. It's too expensive of a ski, I wanted it titled as a new 2016 Rickter ("Rick" in Missouri title speak). During the process I was even told at one point I'd have to get a lawyer, go to court and get a judgement from a judge saying I own the ski, the ski that I have an invoice and canceled checks for, ridiculous. Dealing with state government offices can be a nightmare. I don't have any magic formula I just stuck with it and never gave up. I always got different answers depending who I talked to, so when I got an answer I wanted I jumped on it and got that person the paperwork they wanted immediately and then followed up with them. Rickter's hull number system (not meant to be a HIN number) does not conform to US standards, mine has a 15 digit number not the 12 digit the US requires. After I got past the HIN inspections with the Highway Patrol and the US approved formatted HIN number issued things fell into place.

Most people tell you you can't get insurance on a freestyle ski. I have several things insured with State Farm and my lake insurance agent is located in a huge boating market, so they know marine insurance. State Farm does PWC's as stated value. The more you insure it for the more it costs, you set the value. The main thing they worried about is someone over-insuring a PWC and trying to rip them off with a fake loss. Once they saw the invoice, checks proving what I paid and the ski itself they signed off on the value I wanted, about 90% of the replacement cost. It's been approved with underwriting and have the binder in hand.

A huge thanks to Taylor at TC Freeride for the awesome build and all the help with paperwork.

I bought HIN number tags made by Balduccimoto on the site. The photos didn't turn out to well, they are perfect and will look 100% factory when installed.

I hated to put numbers and the green state sticker on the ski, but I'd get stopped in a second without them.

Each state is different and everyone's situation is different, but stick with it and it all can be done.

Now I have a lot to learn. It looks good on the dock.

Backflip try #1 I made it 3/4 of the way around.

Try #2 was a disaster, my feet came out.

Try #10, I almost made it around and almost rode out of it, at least I didn't crash.

 

[Yami-Rider]

Wow, glad you were able to get it done. Also glad it was way easier in oklahoma haha.

 

[Little_Franny]

Glad you got your hull registered and legit, but j find you have some false info.

Your HIN begins with KAZ, which if you search the MIC database on the USCG site, indicates it's a Kansas home built boat title.

Seems as though you jumped through a bunch of hoops and ended up in same place. I registered my Krash as a NJ home built and my HIN begins with NJZ and the registration(nj does not title skis) says 2014 Krash with my HIN that follows.

I have also secured insurance through Foremost and have an agreed upon value.

Again I'm not saying you are wrong, but it should be pointed out that in the end your results are the same as someone registering as home built.

I have researched and talked to countless people, including the guy at the USCG that issues an MIC to a boat builder and is basically in charge of how a manufacturer would issue a HIN and for a hull that is not RTR the ONLY way to register is home built.


Glad you got it sorted out and hopefully other people will benefit from the info in this thread

 

[Yami-Rider]

IA]

You need to get a limiting rope on that thing before you damage your ski.

 

[Baja 252]

Glad you got your hull registered and legit, but j find you have some false info.

Your HIN begins with KAZ, which if you search the MIC database on the USCG site, indicates it's a Kansas home built boat title.


Seems as though you jumped through a bunch of hoops and ended up in same place. I registered my Krash as a NJ home built and my HIN begins with NJZ and the registration(nj does not title skis) says 2014 Krash with my HIN that follows.

I have also secured insurance through Foremost and have an agreed upon value.

Again I'm not saying you are wrong, but it should be pointed out that in the end your results are the same as someone registering as home built.

I have researched and talked to countless people, including the guy at the USCG that issues an MIC to a boat builder and is basically in charge of how a manufacturer would issue a HIN and for a hull that is not RTR the ONLY way to register is home built.

Glad you got it sorted out and hopefully other people will benefit from the info in this thread

I'm not sure whats false about my post. It has a Kansas (my state of residence) issued HIN number. I don't really care what the number is or what it means, just that it's legal. I never said I didn't want a HIN that indicated homemade. I said I didn't want it "titled" as homemade and it's not, that's why I posted a photo of the title. You said the HIN indicated it has a Kansas home built title, it does not. Kansas also doesn't issue titles for PWC's. We ride in the state of Missouri and they require watercraft to be registered in the state if you use it there for more than 90 days, so I titled and registered it in Missouri as a 2016 Rickter. In the end you're right it doesn't matter, I just didn't like the idea of the word "Homemade" in the make or manufactures box on the title on something this expensive.

I'm not professing to be an expert, just posting my experience on a thread about HIN numbers and titles.