Custom/Hybrid Backie Chan thread of awesomeness...

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TheBuzzard

TheBuzzard

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the jetski grave yard
should he have hid it from view just to make it acceptable? since its not going to beak there............ i would not have left it on front street for all to see. thats just asking for whats now happening. you cant give reasons for complaints.
 
WB1994

WB1994

Location
Amherst NH
TheBuzzard said:
yea, that crack is created when the deck gets beat out of the mold. carbon doesnt release like glass does and thats where he hits it. all those sparkles are in the gel coat and nothing gets cleared or sprayed on the tray after it comes out. that crack is not cleared over and it doesnt go all the way thru.its not really a structual weakness since the bottom deck bonds across the back and closes it off. who puts any weight in that spot really? it is a visual booger and does give the hecklers another something out of nothing flaw like the pipe dent. i am extremely critical when i have work done by anybody. if i pay somebody, it better be done right with no flaws. its easy to make a big deal out of a flaw in the work of others, but when its you doing the job for yourself, do you tend to say its not a big deal?
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So the sparkle is in the clear gelcoat. Gotcha. That makes more sense. And clears up some other questionable things Im looking at.
 
Byeai

Byeai

"Cheetos-Man"
Location
Melbourne FL
Yes sparkle is in gelcoat
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WB1994

WB1994

Location
Amherst NH
TheBuzzard said:
when you push on that crack, does it bow in like a crack or does it react the same as if you push some place else? is it soft there?
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Only about half of the crack flexes due to the other half or so being part of the glued bondrail. If I push down with my fingers on the tray about six inches closer to the center of the tray and farther away from the crack and I put my fingers on the flexing part of the crack I can feel it in the crack moving. It should be a non issue when Im done laying some layers of glass/carbon on the tray to take away some of the crazy flex in the tray itself.
 
krawler98

krawler98

Always wrenchin'
Location
Roanoke, VA
A crack is a crack, regardless of whether it ends up being a weak spot or not. It shouldn't have to be hidden because it shouldn't be there in the first place. I can't believe people are still defending that guy after all he has done. Whoever has a nice backie chan should consider themselves extremely lucky.


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WB1994

WB1994

Location
Amherst NH
One good thing about this hull is the owner. He's a real laid back kid. Works full time and puts himself through college and rents a place to stay. He will probably never take it to the surf. As he has never been to the surf yet. He just rides the pond near us when he can and that consists of driving it around for about five minutes and the rest of the time he sits in the tray floating in the pond. Seeing that he put all his savings into this hull he can only afford one of them crappy TPE ported 701's. This hull will never get truely tested. A girl might as well own it. He was the easiest customer to please , never gets mad , is going to baby this hull yet Steve seemed to push his buttons good. Too bad.

Maybe one of the three chan owners will tell the story Steve spun them about the drill bit ....
 
Brian_216

Brian_216

Location
Harveys Lake PA
TheBuzzard said:
yea, that crack is created when the deck gets beat out of the mold. carbon doesnt release like glass does and thats where he hits it....
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Ok I was trying hard to stay out here but this is contradictory to anything I have ever seen happen. I have had to beat a few things out of molds and never had this happen. I have even pried with wedges and epoxy is so resilient the laminate does not crack like that coming out of the mold. Maybe this isnt epoxy and thats the whole reason there are strength issues. As far as carbon not releasing the same ummm you lost me there. If anything a carbon part is more rigid than glass and usually they tend to pop a lot quicker when wedging the part out of the mold. Im by no means an expert, just pointing out what I know from first hand experience. I have laid up close to 30 hulls so I feel like I have some experience. Now for the best part- that area of the top deck should be bonded solid to the top of the pump box... why is the integrity of this area so critical? If it cracks under the foot holds or center of the tray then its time to panic. Thanks for the friday night entertainment- carry on!

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WB1994

WB1994

Location
Amherst NH
That part has puzzled me too. Why would you design/build a hull that you cant/wont bond the tray to the pump box. Boggles my mind. Not doing that is a huge loss in strength and integrity. Im pretty sure Im going to cut a small square out of the tray centered over the pump box to see whats up inside and to see if its possible for me to bond those two parts together. I have to lay layers of glass on the tray anyways .
 
Brian_216

Brian_216

Location
Harveys Lake PA
WB1994 said:
That part has puzzled me too. Why would you design/build a hull that you cant/wont bond the tray to the pump box. Boggles my mind. Not doing that is a huge loss in strength and integrity. Im pretty sure Im going to cut a small square out of the tray centered over the pump box to see whats up inside and to see if its possible for me to bond those two parts together. I have to lay layers of glass on the tray anyways .
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Ours touch and get enough thickend epoxy to make it solid there.

Disclaimer- by no means am I bashing Steve or his product, or defending for that matter. Just dispelling myths and half truths from my standpoint as a hull builder as they come along on the bash wagon. I personally like the chan and thought Steve was pretty cool when I met him at Havasu last year.

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TheBuzzard

TheBuzzard

Location
the jetski grave yard
i have had 8 AM hulls and still have 5 of them. i could get on here and tell everybody exactly what i have found wrong with each of them. list all flaws and weaknesses i found, just like whats going on here. very few hulls are going to pass a close inspection especially after it has been used/abused for a bit. a bunch of other new hulls have had serious flaws and get sent out that way.
back to bashing steve but dont think his product is any worse/better/different than many of the others put out there.
i have put my feet thru 2 SXR trays and broke the crap out of a round nose in one weekend! those worthless POSs!!!
as far as the reason for the crack, dont kill the messinger( meaning me) thats what i was told.
 
WB1994

WB1994

Location
Amherst NH
This is the Chan thread .... of awesomeness. It would be awesome if Steve showed up and apologised to these kids he's ripped off , lied to and treated like lesser individuals. Maybe he should put his ego in his back pocket and step up and contact these kids with an ETA of when the parts they payed for and havent recieved will arive on thier doorsteps. Meanwhile I will continue my line of questioning. More to come.
 
sportfish258

sportfish258

WB1994 said:
If you get the hull out of the crate and step into the footholds and hear snap crackle pop , its a POS hull . Built by someone who has no pride. Do you really think that hull will have any chance withstanding abuse? Stick a 230 lbs guy on it in the surf and your going to have issues. Sorry if your concerned about your resale value but I for one would have rather seen some honesty in this comunity so a person like steve doesnt keep screwin people. I would have happier friends right now.
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Well it's 3:45 am just got done wrenching ( I do my best work after 12:00) plus two sick kids with temps at 102 degrees and throwing up .....

WB ,as we say in the south "I can see your blood is up" so I'll be careful . My comment about resale was a joke .It's my way of introducing humor to this topic. My comments were general in nature about AM hulls .... NOT YOUR SPECFIC HULL.

I have a crackly chan , and I stated that if you get one " it's a Fun hull WITH PROBLEMS. Plan on doing some reinforcement " I'd say that's pretty honest even for a guy concerned about his resale value.

I'm sorry your friends and others on the board got burned . Sadly ,all the posts in the world are not going to help your collective cause no matter how legitimate your claims are.

I can offer no advise on mandrel pipe bending , 650 head gaskets or crappy who ever ported 701's . However , I am certain my self and other chan owners only have 4 options concerning our hulls . I chose a combination of 2 and 3 .

1. Splash it and build your own
2. Reinforce it
3. Ride it like it is
4. Sale it
5. Turn it into one of the 550 beer coolers or a planter.
 
Sanoman

Sanoman

AbouttoKrash
Location
NE Tenn
sportfish258 said:
Well it's 3:45 am just got done wrenching ( I do my best work after 12:00) plus two sick kids with temps at 102 degrees and throwing up .....

WB ,as we say in the south "I can see your blood is up" so I'll be careful . My comment about resale was a joke .It's my way of introducing humor to this topic. My comments were general in nature about AM hulls .... NOT YOUR SPECFIC HULL.

I have a crackly chan , and I stated that if you get one " it's a Fun hull WITH PROBLEMS. Plan on doing some reinforcement " I'd say that's pretty honest even for a guy concerned about his resale value.

I'm sorry your friends and others on the board got burned . Sadly ,all the posts in the world are not going to help your collective cause no matter how legitimate your claims are.

I can offer no advise on mandrel pipe bending , 650 head gaskets or crappy who ever ported 701's . However , I am certain my self and other chan owners only have 4 options concerning our hulls . I chose a combination of 2 and 3 .

1. Splash it and build your own
2. Reinforce it
3. Ride it like it is
4. Sale it
5. Turn it into one of the 550 beer coolers or a planter.
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So you think you are a funny man,don't you! Pissed me right off with your comments. Dam fanboy l tell ya
 
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