blaster battery location

tshank123

Yo hablo ingles
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Vegas
Posted this on PWC, didn't get much of a response.

I was just wondering if anyone has played with locating the battery in different places and what the results were. I've seen where alot of guys put it underneath the stock location. I was thinking about putting where the stock waterbox used to be. Its wide open there now that I've moved the waterbox. I just don't know if that would help or hurt the handling. This is a racing application.
 

seatsR4toilets

Just spell my name right
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In Your Head
I have just moved mine to where the stock waterbox location is.
I have yet to ride it. Actually, probably need to have CarterB or someone fabricate a better battery box.
But yes, I'm moving mine to lower the center of gravity on the ski, AND to even out the weight now that I have a Solas Aggressor pump in it. Quite a bit heavier than stock.
I'll post next week when I take it out in the surf and try it.
 

extreemthrottle

freeride junkie
Location
north palm beach
If you're spinning out, you need to lean over harder. Dig it in and keep weight and the rear foot for the pump to stay hook.

yep, spinning out is a lack of commitment, lean more. you're leaning over to far if the pump comes out of the water.

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you should be able to drag or almost drag your handlebars in the water...
GOTTA LUV THE BLASTER...
and as far as putting the battery in a lower location, if you ride in surf and ever get a hull fairly full of water, the battery can short out...
 
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WaveDemon

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Hell, Florida
I did have a problem spinning out on real broad sweeping turns at speed on flat water (mirroring the edge of a lake). So I just stopped doing them and turned harder for a shorter time.
 

seatsR4toilets

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you should be able to drag or almost drag your handlebars in the water...
GOTTA LUV THE BLASTER...
and as far as putting the battery in a lower location, if you ride in surf and ever get a hull fairly full of water, the battery can short out...

Yeah, that's a good point I've considered. However, because of using the waterbox mounts, it is up a few inches, and I've got a big bilge AND I'm going to install a Thrust scupper in the next week or so.
I think, given what I'm trying to accomplish as far as how the boat handles in surf (and for boarding), I'll roll the dice that I may lose a $125 battery once in a while.
But still, very good point. :cool:
 
If you keep terminals coated with a heavy coat of silicone grease they will not short out .. I have no issues with my 800 and the batt is in the rear hull , But Im heavy on the grease everywhere and NEVER had electrical issues . Just lucky I guess But Ill stay heavy with the grease .
 

Dustin Mustangs

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Holland, MI
For surf riding, IMO, the lower the center of gravity, the better the ride, and the easier it is to reboard in deep water.
Just MHO, for what its worth.
Works for me.

Not trying to start anything here but why would you prefer the CG higher if a choice is available ??? could you imagine how it would handle with the eng right under the handlebars instead of on the hull bottom

I have no practical experience with this, I'm just curious as to what your train of thought is on wanting to lower it.

I can understand the re-boarding aspect and agree it would help, but I personally wouldn't consider that an area that warrants improvement on a blaster. My only (very slight) issue with boarding a blaster is occasionally getting my vest hung up on the seat hump during side mounts. That's just me tho...

More importantly imo, how does it make the ride better? Are you saying this from experience with changing the cog height on a surf blaster or is this a hunch?? My thought is that for rotation (ie rolls or flips) you would want the cog (with the rider/ski considered as one) to be as central as possible. Think of a frisbee or wheel here. A lopsided weight distribution will seriously hinder rotation for anything. I can't imagine anyone has accurately located the vertical cog on a blaster (again, with rider), but I'd be willing to bet is already below the geometric center. And of course on a car you want it as low as possible for weight distribution when cornering, but that all goes out the window on something that gets leaned into a turn.

Again, not trying to bash the idea by any means, just trying to understand the reasoning behind it...

:beerchug:
 
I have no practical experience with this, I'm just curious as to what your train of thought is on wanting to lower it.

I can understand the re-boarding aspect and agree it would help, but I personally wouldn't consider that an area that warrants improvement on a blaster. My only (very slight) issue with boarding a blaster is occasionally getting my vest hung up on the seat hump during side mounts. That's just me tho...

More importantly imo, how does it make the ride better? Are you saying this from experience with changing the cog height on a surf blaster or is this a hunch?? My thought is that for rotation (ie rolls or flips) you would want the cog (with the rider/ski considered as one) to be as central as possible. Think of a frisbee or wheel here. A lopsided weight distribution will seriously hinder rotation for anything. I can't imagine anyone has accurately located the vertical cog on a blaster (again, with rider), but I'd be willing to bet is already below the geometric center. And of course on a car you want it as low as possible for weight distribution when cornering, but that all goes out the window on something that gets leaned into a turn.

Again, not trying to bash the idea by any means, just trying to understand the reasoning behind it...

:beerchug:
Good points taken all around ! I understand what your saying with the cg being centrally located and it kind of makes sence . But look at a stand up ski and the rider, 7/8 of their ski weight is less than 12 inches above the water . IDK Im just in favor of a lower CG when the skis pivot point is between the water and the hull .. at least thats how I see this issue ... But I guess we will never really know which way with no way of actual testing
 

WaveDemon

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Hell, Florida
I have no practical experience with this, I'm just curious as to what your train of thought is on wanting to lower it.

I can understand the re-boarding aspect and agree it would help, but I personally wouldn't consider that an area that warrants improvement on a blaster. My only (very slight) issue with boarding a blaster is occasionally getting my vest hung up on the seat hump during side mounts. That's just me tho...

More importantly imo, how does it make the ride better? Are you saying this from experience with changing the cog height on a surf blaster or is this a hunch?? My thought is that for rotation (ie rolls or flips) you would want the cog (with the rider/ski considered as one) to be as central as possible. Think of a frisbee or wheel here. A lopsided weight distribution will seriously hinder rotation for anything. I can't imagine anyone has accurately located the vertical cog on a blaster (again, with rider), but I'd be willing to bet is already below the geometric center. And of course on a car you want it as low as possible for weight distribution when cornering, but that all goes out the window on something that gets leaned into a turn.

Again, not trying to bash the idea by any means, just trying to understand the reasoning behind it...

:beerchug:
when you get unstable on a stand up there are 2 things you do to get back under control, give it gas and get low. Lower COG gives you more stability.
 

seatsR4toilets

Just spell my name right
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In Your Head
I have no practical experience with this, I'm just curious as to what your train of thought is on wanting to lower it.

I can understand the re-boarding aspect and agree it would help, but I personally wouldn't consider that an area that warrants improvement on a blaster. My only (very slight) issue with boarding a blaster is occasionally getting my vest hung up on the seat hump during side mounts. That's just me tho...

More importantly imo, how does it make the ride better? Are you saying this from experience with changing the cog height on a surf blaster or is this a hunch?? My thought is that for rotation (ie rolls or flips) you would want the cog (with the rider/ski considered as one) to be as central as possible. Think of a frisbee or wheel here. A lopsided weight distribution will seriously hinder rotation for anything. I can't imagine anyone has accurately located the vertical cog on a blaster (again, with rider), but I'd be willing to bet is already below the geometric center. And of course on a car you want it as low as possible for weight distribution when cornering, but that all goes out the window on something that gets leaned into a turn.

Again, not trying to bash the idea by any means, just trying to understand the reasoning behind it...

:beerchug:

Well, like I said, I have two major reasons for the lower CG with the battery:
1) Weight distribution. This is really sorta central to my new Blaster build (see avatar). I decided to go with a 12 vein Solas Aggressor pump. Although, IMO, it's far superior to the Mag pump, it is, from what I can tell from installing it, heavier. At the same time I did this project, I moved the waterbox to the rear, and changed that to a TDR for a Blaster 2. When I sat the ski in calm, flat water, it seemed to sit a bit lower in the rear than it did before, but that could be in part to me removing the foam in back to install the rear exhaust fitting (PITA). In flat water, it would probably be fine and actually might make better hook-up, but for me, all I do is surf ride, and aside of jumping waves, I really like to RIDE waves, and I like a ski that sorta skims through the middle of the bottom of the ski (I hope I'm explaining that so you guys understand what I'm saying).
It sorta gives me the feeling like I'm on my long board. Hard to explain, and unless you surf you might not get what I'm saying.
2) Boarding in surf: When I fall off, and the waves are bigger than maybe 2-3 feet, when you are old like me, you only have a couple chances at most to get back on if you fall off out there. And, if you are timing sets to get back on (like I have to), the last couple bigger ones will hit the upper part of the ski and tip it over easily because I believe that it's top heavy and the CG is too high.
That's MY logic on MY ski.
Zimmy rode it at Daytona and loved it. He didn't have any problem getting it upside-down either...:eek:mfg::eek:mfg::eek:mfg::eek:mfg::eek:mfg:
 
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seatsR4toilets

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I should have mentioned that at Daytona I ran the battery cables to the very front of the stator cover (this was because I didn't have a battery box or any way to mount it. I used a couple bungie cords. I took it out for 10 minutes, not even riding hard, and it came loose. That was resting on the bottom.
That's how I came up with the idea of using the mounts already in place from the old waterbox. I originally din't want to use those, because I thought the ski would lean.
But I'm doing it anyway.
(rotating weight, right??)LOL
 

tshank123

Yo hablo ingles
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Vegas
Here was my thought on moving it to the stock battery box location, again this is a race blaster: It seems that I spin out sometimes when I'm in race chop and the pump comes unhooked in a corner. By moving the wieght more forward and to the front, it could help plow through the chop better. But I don't know if it will do what I want or not. Thats why I'm asking. I may just have to do a temporary setup for testing, or just learn to ride better, lol.
 

seatsR4toilets

Just spell my name right
Location
In Your Head
Here was my thought on moving it to the stock battery box location, again this is a race blaster: It seems that I spin out sometimes when I'm in race chop and the pump comes unhooked in a corner. By moving the wieght more forward and to the front, it could help plow through the chop better. But I don't know if it will do what I want or not. Thats why I'm asking. I may just have to do a temporary setup for testing, or just learn to ride better, lol.

The stock battery box location is more to the rear than the front.
 
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