GROUP K 845cc SuperJet Freestyle Tech Info

crammit442

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What exactly is: "The wiseco's will experience skirt collapse(not all bad) just like every other wiseco"

Please somebody educate me a bit please :)

I was referring to the fact that over time wiseco pistons(and pro-x to a lesser degree) experience skirt collapse. It tends to be worse on strokers, but it happens on stock stroke motors also. It's not a big deal, but it happens. Forged pistons are more ductile than cast and the skirt collapse is gradual, but over time becomes important as the pistons will eventually begin to rock more than you'd want. I posted in response to the idea that you could just throw a set of rings in it every year or so and get years out of a set of pistons. The point is that it won't work that way and to make it worse, the pistons are gonna be $200 a piece. Add the fact that there is only one bore available and the good deal doesn't look like such a good deal to me. I believe a good stroker is more economical in the long run.
 

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Bump - My friend here in Havasu is dropping the cash and getting one of these. He's gonna run it with the new big Power Factor pipe, dual 48 Full Specs, Enhancer, and alum charging flywheel.

He told Harry not to be conservative on the cylinder porting, but to do a all out flat water low end, throttle responsive machine. We are doing the epoxying and case porting ourselves.

So i will post back after we get it all together and start testing with it. Should be nice reliable arm ripper.
 

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What's more, you only have ONE BORE!!! :no: Who builds a $2000 recreational motor with a single overbore? VERY bad technical decision, IMO.

Harry says you have 2 more bores. 89.5 and 90mm. He stocks the pistons and guarantees he'll have them in stock when you need them. He had Wiseco make them for him.
 
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waterfreak

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I have a question with this set up. How come Harry doesn't use a girdle head for this application. Any stock cylinder with porting should use one otherwise cylinder cracking can occur and then becomes quite expensive to replace.

just wondering!!
 

yamanube

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I have a question with this set up. How come Harry doesn't use a girdle head for this application. Any stock cylinder with porting should use one otherwise cylinder cracking can occur and then becomes quite expensive to replace.

just wondering!!
I think he said that there wasn't an aftermarket Oring style head that would seal on the bore, that is why he is offering a half girdle kit for the setup.

An unmodified stock OEM 62T (1996 or later SJ) cylinder head core must be used. We cannot use 61X (701) or 760 head cores. “O” ring heads cannot seal on this bore diameter, and cannot be used.
Head Sealing

While “O” ring heads are a very popular technical fashion for many closed course racing platforms, sealing the large 89mm bore diameters of the 845 is a tall order for any head, much less an “O” ring head. We built the 845 kit to utilize an all metal head gasket in order to offer the widest possible sealing surface area around the bores. In addition, the sleeves of the 845 are manufactured with a very wide sealing rim on the top flange to further increase sealing area width. This arrangement allows the 845 to have a head sealing surface width that cannot be matched by any “O” ring type head setup.

Many owners understandably want a “girdle” type cylinder-head to help reduce the possibilities of fracturing the cylinder casting (as happens to numerous modified 61x cylinders). It bears noting that the 62T and 64X cylinder castings have additional casting supports, and are thicker in the areas where the 61X cylinders routinely fractured. Even with this extra casting mass, we felt that girdling support for the 845 was still in order. Since virtually all cylinder fracturing takes place on the inlet side of the cylinder, we opted to use a “Half-Girdle” that bolts on top of the head on the inlet side only. This half-girdle offers as much support as any “O” ring girdle head, and still allows the use of the stock 62T head casting. It bears noting that this girdle makes for very close clearance between the girdle plate and the flame arrestors of a dual 38 setup (dual 44s have plenty of clearance). To resolve this clearance issue, the dual 38s must be fitted with extended flame arrestor adaptors that raise the connection for the pods safely away from the girdle plate
 
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waterfreak

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you can always use a ADA head with 951 domes. All you have to do is machine the head shell to the outside diameter of the domes just like we use to do for the older cast lamey1000cc motors.
If I was to spend that kind of cash for a big bore oem cylinder, I would want to re-assure myself it wouldn't crack.
just my .02!
 

#ZERO

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You're right they shouldn't be using a modified stock head with that expensive kit when you can purchase the ADA superbore head shell and no machine work is necessary.

http://www.adaracing.com/personal-watercraft/head-shell-yamaha-super-bore/ya760sb

The custom ADA Sea-Doo 951 domes will work perfect with the 62T cylinder and they can be made by to any specification for 50 dollar charge on top of the dome price.

Also why use a 62T cylinder when you can make an 89mm flat top piston stroker engine using the 61X cylinder with custom sleeves and more suitable port timing.
 

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Group K has never advocated o-ring heads. They specialize in modifying your oem parts, and milling the stock head is part of that, so no way are they going to recommend an aftermarket head that you could buy somewhere else.

Just my opinion, but it's part of their business plan I think.
 
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