How much cash do you dump into a stock hull superjet
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Vumad
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My advice is to immediately stop spending money. Ride what you have, develop your experience and style identify specific limitations, base upgrades on that. People will say spend, SPEND, SPEND!!!!! but its a bunch of insanity. Thee is so much riding to be done between your first ski purchase and your first backflip, why miss out?
People swear by things like reinforcements, limiting ropes, etc, but ive put hundreds of hours on my superjet without them with no issues (i acknowledge i ride like a p****). Ive only gone over the pole once subbing in a few hundred attempts, and that time youd have thought i was trying to do a front flip not a sub. Limiting ropes are cheap, so get one when you want to nose stab (i leave out the stab part and just 180, dont want to invest more since im still struggling to ride). You can probably learn to roll without reinforcement on flatwater, so you could save it for when you start going off boat wakes and surf.
My personal experience was this. I was new and encountered 2 kinds of people primarily. The people who were much more advanced riders than i and needed things i did not yet need, or peple who listened to the first then over engineered and told me i needed things i did not need. It resulted in extra time with wrenches, extra money spent, and less time on the water.
A personal example for you, is spending a lot of money on a pole. Yes, it an be cut, but you could have bought an adapter for $50 and shorten the pole for free, had similar results and a lot more money in your pocket for trips to free ride events, buying beer to trade for am hull test rides, or a hull that could come with a lot of those parts anyway.
People swear by things like reinforcements, limiting ropes, etc, but ive put hundreds of hours on my superjet without them with no issues (i acknowledge i ride like a p****). Ive only gone over the pole once subbing in a few hundred attempts, and that time youd have thought i was trying to do a front flip not a sub. Limiting ropes are cheap, so get one when you want to nose stab (i leave out the stab part and just 180, dont want to invest more since im still struggling to ride). You can probably learn to roll without reinforcement on flatwater, so you could save it for when you start going off boat wakes and surf.
My personal experience was this. I was new and encountered 2 kinds of people primarily. The people who were much more advanced riders than i and needed things i did not yet need, or peple who listened to the first then over engineered and told me i needed things i did not need. It resulted in extra time with wrenches, extra money spent, and less time on the water.
A personal example for you, is spending a lot of money on a pole. Yes, it an be cut, but you could have bought an adapter for $50 and shorten the pole for free, had similar results and a lot more money in your pocket for trips to free ride events, buying beer to trade for am hull test rides, or a hull that could come with a lot of those parts anyway.
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Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
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Im persoannly am not sure i agree with cutting your pole quite yet (you said recently but didnt say how much riding experience you have). I think you might want to look into that a little further. Its not that a dont agree that the pole is too long, but rushing into cutting a $1500 pole is not quite my style.
If your back hurts, buy a $10 yoga block and strap it to the hood. I have found that my pole never bottomed out with a stock setup, so i held the weight qith my back 100% of the time. I have back issues, so i feel your pain, i recently switched from a stock style turn plate to a steering similar to yours but with 2" rise, so with a 4" block im about 7" higher than stock. That helped my back substantially. Now half the time my chest supports my weight.
You are new, so you may be having issues with skill. My pole and steering combine was -4 from stock. Im 5'11. The ski was very rideable. You might need do try things like getting your elbows up, putting your chest into the pole and putting the nose where you want it.
Also, your cavitation issues may also be rider error rather than thw prop. I watched videos of people with huge motors and pumps pinning the throttle and launching out. I thought my limited boat wasnt powerful enough until i saw stock superjets getting rolled and realized my trick setup was way off. Stock hulls with limited setups do not work like some big boat videoss you see. You can do a setup wake, you can preload the nose, but you dont just letoff thw throttle and then pin it like you see the big boys doing. You need momentum to keep the ski liht on the surface. Some of my best pops come with no preload, just smooth power with the right momentum and timing.
Again, im no expert, and lots of people are much more talented than me. Im not saying their advice is wrong. I just always think of people like gomez who were absolutely killing it on 550s. Im simply saying invest in saddle time before you invest too much financially.
If your back hurts, buy a $10 yoga block and strap it to the hood. I have found that my pole never bottomed out with a stock setup, so i held the weight qith my back 100% of the time. I have back issues, so i feel your pain, i recently switched from a stock style turn plate to a steering similar to yours but with 2" rise, so with a 4" block im about 7" higher than stock. That helped my back substantially. Now half the time my chest supports my weight.
You are new, so you may be having issues with skill. My pole and steering combine was -4 from stock. Im 5'11. The ski was very rideable. You might need do try things like getting your elbows up, putting your chest into the pole and putting the nose where you want it.
Also, your cavitation issues may also be rider error rather than thw prop. I watched videos of people with huge motors and pumps pinning the throttle and launching out. I thought my limited boat wasnt powerful enough until i saw stock superjets getting rolled and realized my trick setup was way off. Stock hulls with limited setups do not work like some big boat videoss you see. You can do a setup wake, you can preload the nose, but you dont just letoff thw throttle and then pin it like you see the big boys doing. You need momentum to keep the ski liht on the surface. Some of my best pops come with no preload, just smooth power with the right momentum and timing.
Again, im no expert, and lots of people are much more talented than me. Im not saying their advice is wrong. I just always think of people like gomez who were absolutely killing it on 550s. Im simply saying invest in saddle time before you invest too much financially.
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I definitely hear you on the parts overload. I'm glad I got the pole though. The stock pole and steering system was terrible. Even with the pole probably too long the ovp steering and the 0 degree bars feel so much better. I went ahead and did the reinforcement plate for the pole base and got a limiting rope. I def see a possibility of the handle pole bracket being ripped off the ski without the rope and reinforcement. I've tried to get in the habit if I get dumped off the ski not to let go of the bars.
hornedogg79
dodgin' bass boats
Find people who ride like you want to and take their advice.
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Brotastic
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I see both sides of the comments. On one hand, I love love love my AM hull, but sweet baby jesus do I have a lot of $ in it. And its a serious gateway purchase. Because once you've justified buying the awesome hull, you're going to justify buying awesome parts for it. You can eclipse 10k before you know it, even on a modest build.
On the other hand, Vumad makes good points (he's like the practical little angel on your shoulder) even though its stuff you don't necessarily want to hear.
I bought my frist AM hull when I was 35... I ride with guys who are 55 and doing back flips. It's never too late.
If you do think you're going to go AM (I would probably steer you that way as well to be honest) I always recommend riding as many skis as possible before you pull the trigger. Spending the money to fly out to World Finals for a day try try out ski's and talk to people would be a good investment IMO. Because even if you only get to ride 3-4 hulls, you'll have a base line of knowledge on how different AM hulls ride. Don't make your decision based strictly on what you read here... its just not the same as real world experience. Once you've been on a few skis, you can read a review and relate your experience riding that hull or one that's reported to be similar in a totally different light. (Counter to that point is that two of the exact same hull could be set up to ride completely differently depending on the rider.)
I rode a ski yesterday that now ranks in my top 3 favorite skis (Hulls) i've ever ridden. Will I ever get one? Probably not, but it provides a frame of reference.
On the other hand, Vumad makes good points (he's like the practical little angel on your shoulder) even though its stuff you don't necessarily want to hear.
I bought my frist AM hull when I was 35... I ride with guys who are 55 and doing back flips. It's never too late.
If you do think you're going to go AM (I would probably steer you that way as well to be honest) I always recommend riding as many skis as possible before you pull the trigger. Spending the money to fly out to World Finals for a day try try out ski's and talk to people would be a good investment IMO. Because even if you only get to ride 3-4 hulls, you'll have a base line of knowledge on how different AM hulls ride. Don't make your decision based strictly on what you read here... its just not the same as real world experience. Once you've been on a few skis, you can read a review and relate your experience riding that hull or one that's reported to be similar in a totally different light. (Counter to that point is that two of the exact same hull could be set up to ride completely differently depending on the rider.)
I rode a ski yesterday that now ranks in my top 3 favorite skis (Hulls) i've ever ridden. Will I ever get one? Probably not, but it provides a frame of reference.
It's always good to master a superjet before you grab an am hull too. Once you start whipping one around like it's no issue and you become hindered by your ski, it's time to switch to an am hull. But this is more or so if you go to a freestyle hull. There are hulls a beginner can ride much easier than a superjet. A fill length watercraft factory vision, a rickter, etc.
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Lol what??
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I guess don't really agree with that statement, respectfully. On some dedicated freestyle hulls, yeah I can see that (I.E. Hurricane's from personal experience) But I find most short AM hulls to be so much wider than an SJ, it's almost easier to ride in "some" regard.
Just my opinion... no biggie.
Quinc
Buy a Superjet
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- California
Like was said above. Just ride what you have for a while, and work on getting the parts you already have tunned. Look at your impeller and pump and make sure it is not damaged.
Oh no I'm not disagreeing with you there. A badass is easy to ride, but I felt the DVX to be quite interesting to ride.. It also doesn't help when they have a motor that scares the living crap out of you though Haha.
Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
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I agree with you 100%.
The topic of the thread was how much to spend on the stock hull superjet. He said flatwater, and not yet surf. Flatwater superjet tricks are fountains, rodeos, subs, stabs and the end game is rolls. I havent seen any videos of people doing flatwater backflips, helicoptors or combos on a stock superjet hull.
Most of the stock hull guys commenting here are riding like that. So unless thee are some badasses here keeping their awesome superjet skills a secret, the hull is pretty limiting.
Im not saying to not drop 30000 into a am setup. Im saying ride what ya got, get out and meet people, and stock pile cash for when youre ready to pull the trigger. The only thing a superjet is best for is budget. Everyone in ever discipline is going to tell you to buy a different hull.
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I'm 40 and doing my first flatwater flops this year. I have nosed a few in off a boat wake but haven't rode one out yet. I expect to easily ride out of flips in surf this fall. Buying a -4.3 superfreak w/ jm781 for under $10k a few months ago was a very good decision, I would buy an AM hull sooner if I had the chance all over again.
The ski I bought http://x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/2011-superfreak-with-jetmaniac-781-sold.158172/
Yeah I really wish I would have known about this site prior to buying my ski. It was an impulse buy. Ive got about 8k invested with the purchase of the ski and upgrades. Standups are slim in my area. So ill have to make my way around to some of the events to get some real world experience with other AM hulls. I think for now Im going to put a worx 201 intake grate, 144 mag pump and prop. Ill ride that for awhile untill I figure out what AM hull I like. Its just soooo tempting when you get on here and see all the pics and vids of guys rolling and backflipping. I have to bring myself back to reality and realize Im nowhere near there yet. Ive got a total of 8 rides on my boat lol
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Brotastic
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Yeah, I try to steer as many people away from new skis as possible, although it does make sense for some folks. You can get so much more ski buying one already modified.
But hey, welcome to the thing!!!