Surfriding Kevins Area 51 super surf hull TWEEKER X-TREME build ....... maybe

[sportfish258]

The elves came with the tool !


The bond rails are really bent in an upward angle on the top deck ( It came that way ) . I'm thinking about re doing them all the way around .

I might just heat and bend them . what about cutting the top deck down 1.5 inches all the way around ? low center of gravity help full ?

 

[sportfish258]

This is really starting to be a



















BUILD !

 

[joe b]

Nice!!! I like it... i'm curious where your rocketing the rear? From my experience adding rocker to the back of the bottom led to an ill handling boat. I just finished glassing some mods on mine and raising the bond rail a little in the back was one of those. I hope to try it this weekend... I'll let you what differences I notice.

 

[yamanube]

Looks awesome, I need to get myself a topdeck so I can get crackin!

 

[sjetrider]

I think the rocker in the rear should be much more suttle and ONLY rock on the outer edges / chine and not effect the keel / rideplate area. But thats just in my head. Maybe up an 1.250" in rear.

 

[wydopen]

thats pretty extreme...probably gonna push allot of water...ive noticed in the aftermarket hulls ive ridden with more rocker than a sj that they dont "glide" off throttle like a sj does...it feels like u hit the brakes when u let off the gas...there is a reason they stopped putting flip tips on surfboards in 1996...dosnt make u pearl any less just makes u go slower..just remember superjets dont pearl the people riding them do..

i think the am hulls with more rocker and wider bottoms are easier for people that dont know what they are doing in the surf to ride waves but when it comes down to high performance waveriding i think the width hurts you..they are kind of like a crutch for people that havent learned the basics

..u need your ski to be able to rail turns hooked up and slide when u need it to depending on what the wave is doing...when you are turning on the wave before it breaks u want to keep the pump hooked up..the only time u release the tail is when the wave is super steep and u have the lip to redirect your momentum back into the wave...when the wave is flat/fat and u slide the majority of the time u end up sliding off the back of the wave...its all about doing the right turn on the right part of the wave...

id leave the tail alone...i know surfboards are different but the same principles apply...when they make a surfboard with lots of tail rocker u have to add a deeper concave to make up for it...so the rails will have more rocker than the middle of the board...u cant really do that with a ski...adding rocker also reduces the rail line which would make your ski feel shorter but its not going to give u any advantage if backflipping easier is your goal...adding rocker to the rails is just gonna make it not hook up as good if u want to turn with any speed.. i rode a lightweight de with the rails in the back "scalloped" and it rode like crap...releasing the tail is done by weight distribution and proper throttle control..if u want it to still rail turns id leave the back alone..

with that said u did a good job and its cool u are experimenting..that dosnt look easy

The elves came with the tool !


The bond rails are really bent in an upward angle on the top deck ( It came that way ) . I'm thinking about re doing them all the way around .

I might just heat and bend them . what about cutting the top deck down 1.5 inches all the way around ? low center of gravity help full ?

 

[Watty]

i think the am hulls with more rocker and wider bottoms are easier for people that dont know what they are doing in the surf to ride waves but when it comes down to high performance waveriding i think the width hurts you..they are kind of like a crutch for people that havent learned the basics

I couldn't agree more, but with that said...the introduction of most aftermarket hulls have been for weight savings, strength and ease of use. I think we have a/m hull manufaturers to blame for the basic skills being a thing of the past! It's all about the dollar and what appeals to the majority of the market. I guess the other side of the coin is that the nose rocker does make things easier if you don't come from a surfing background and still want to have as much fun as those that do with less knowledge...ignorance is bliss! Still, of all the nose rocker mods to stock hulls I've seen, this is by far the best.

 

[wydopen]

yea his workmanship and the way he went about it is definitely top notch, i would have never thought of molding the bottom deck with heat like he did..id like to try a stock weight/length sj hull with just a touch more rocker in the nose..like 1" or less and see what that does...

 

[wydopen]

ive heard mark tearles stock sj hull with 3" off the back rides good...we have an old hull might give it a shot..i saw a vid of him when the surf was solid and he was laying into his bottom turns like i havent seen many people do..

I couldn't agree more, but with that said...the introduction of most aftermarket hulls have been for weight savings, strength and ease of use. I think we have a/m hull manufaturers to blame for the basic skills being a thing of the past! It's all about the dollar and what appeals to the majority of the market. I guess the other side of the coin is that the nose rocker does make things easier if you don't come from a surfing background and still want to have as much fun as those that do with less knowledge...ignorance is bliss! Still, of all the nose rocker mods to stock hulls I've seen, this is by far the best.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I won't say who he has been consulting on this build, I will just say the guy is awesome and highly underated.

 

[yamanube]

 

[tightithrash]

I won't say who he has been consulting on this build, I will just say the guy is awesome and highly underated.

ok cool good idea:Banane25:

 

[sportfish258]

Wydopen , I knew you couldn't resist my little Surf hull party ..... Thanks for your input and complements , same goes for you Watty.

It is true , I do think rocker and tubbies make the surf more enjoyable for less experienced riders. Keep in mind I'm about 5 hours from the nearest surf . With that said , it is doubtful that I'll develop top notch surf skills in the near future . My goal is to ride salt once a month . Last Month I put on some sponsons and it made a WORLD of difference . In fact , I would have Tom and Zero's love child ........ they were that much of an improvement. Yes the ski was more stable / easer to ride , but it was a hell of a lot more maneuverable / responsive . That one mod opened up new territory quickly for me .

It was that performance that prodded me started the real build process . My goal is to build a hull that will increase my " fun Facter " not a hull that makes me work harder for it . No need to worry , I'm sure the hull I come up with will be more than capable of humbling me. I will heed your warning and others about the rear rocker and maybe go a little less . The chine area will defiantly get a tweak ( You can always fill it in to stock specs ) . Stay tuned


Any elbows on performance by adding an extra ware setting the pump back about 2.5 inches

Kev

 

[Aircraftsalz]

The 2 wear rings work well for the budget SB pump... When you coming back down for some surf? Glad your feeling better

 

[sportfish258]

I won't say who he has been consulting on this build, I will just say the guy is awesome and highly underated.

TOOT , TOOT He is for sure highly underrated and ugly . He will also listen to your crazy ramblings and then lend crazy rambling advice back . Started with a 300 sx if you remember .... Hey quit thread jacking

 

[masterblaster]

Any elbows on performance by adding an extra ware setting the pump back about 2.5 inches

Kev

the extra wear ring and b1 shaft worked well for me,but it takes some experimenting with the ride plate length to get the nose ride height right,especially since you cliped the rear a few inches.

Wydopen.....do you feel like the surf oriented a/m hulls like the fs2 do not help you ride any better at all ? I would think at any given skill level a lighter,more maneuverable boat that still rails turns would leave you finding new things you were not able to do as easy or at all on a stock sj? I dunno really,Ive ridden all most all the a/m hulls but not really long enough to tell how much more capable I would be on one?

 

[wydopen]

Tubbies are a must for the surf. I was referring more to the new hulls that are several inches wider overall they just don't lay over on a rail like a sj does. I was watching some old vid of the best wave riders in the world pre tubbie and it was amazing how much different they had to ride than they did a few years later with them U couldnt be as aggressive dropping back in and the lip deflects the ski more than it does with tubbies. With tubbies u can hit the lip like u are hittin a berm on a moto.

 

[wydopen]

Everybody's style is different. But for me I like to ride fast and I like to do hard turns like u would do on a buoy course. I don't feel like those skis transfer from rail to rail as easily which for me is very important. When u are changing direction mid face it is important for the ski to go from rail to rail easily I feel like those skis ride really flat they can turn a tighter radius but that dosnt do much for me because im either sliding the tail or carving not doing tight circles i feel the sj is more manuverable as it is more tippy and squirlly I also think a ski with the pump set way back isn't as loose in the tail cause u are riding more on the pump than the rideplate

I think there are things that u can do on a light short ski that u can't do as easily on a sj like those 360 reentries Taylor has been working on. But to me those things don't make up for the fact that I can't drag a shoulder when I want to. The only time I pearl is when I totally mess up so the extra rocker dosnt do much for me. When the wave is steep u can't just ride strait Down it u have to blip the throttle and air drop. It's just about reading the wave and acting accordingly.

Because I like to ride fast i like the extra weight I don't have any trouble throwing around my sj so I'd rather have the ski heavier so it stays planted. Like I said before I think for most people they are easier to ride and u can obviously do crazy stuff on them and good turns, look at Taylor. I just resent the fact that everybody acts like the sj is obsolete when there isn't really anybody riding it to it's full potential. (flatwater is a different story) I know my ski isn't holding me back But like I said everybody rides different

the extra wear ring and b1 shaft worked well for me,but it takes some experimenting with the ride plate length to get the nose ride height right,especially since you cliped the rear a few inches.

Wydopen.....do you feel like the surf oriented a/m hulls like the fs2 do not help you ride any better at all ? I would think at any given skill level a lighter,more maneuverable boat that still rails turns would leave you finding new things you were not able to do as easy or at all on a stock sj? I dunno really,Ive ridden all most all the a/m hulls but not really long enough to tell how much more capable I would be on one?

 

[sportfish258]

Just thinking about the rear . Marked off is 1 inch high and long .... feels like too much . May back it down to .5 and go a little shorter length . Found out the hood will not fit without some serious grinding ..... I knew the hull was a snake when I picked it up. I think it will have a nice profile when if ever completed .

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Honestly when we were talking I had no idea he was going to go this far with it, it looks really good Kevin, keep up the good work !