chixwithtrix
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A little preview of my bits from @OCD Solutions
Squee! Looks nice with the blue thank you for all the detail.
Squee! Looks nice with the blue thank you for all the detail.
Freestyle Krash 50 Cal Footrocket Kit
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chixwithtrix
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Finally got my review of the flatwater 50 cal posted, will be editing it as I learn more about the ski. Figured a standalone review would be easier for people interested in the meat of my build experience: http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/krash-flatwater-50-cal-footrocket-review.181113/
If you are looking for a nose high all out freestyle ski the flatwater 50 cal footrocket isn't it. It is very rideable as a recreation ski, but has so much more potential than a Superjet or the like. I was able to ride it one handed within minutes of riding it for the first time. Very wide, very stable, very predictable. I think it will be extremely versatile for freeride and some mild freestyle and that is exactly what I was looking for.
I'd own a Krash again, but I'd go with the hull only I think.
If you are looking for a nose high all out freestyle ski the flatwater 50 cal footrocket isn't it. It is very rideable as a recreation ski, but has so much more potential than a Superjet or the like. I was able to ride it one handed within minutes of riding it for the first time. Very wide, very stable, very predictable. I think it will be extremely versatile for freeride and some mild freestyle and that is exactly what I was looking for.
I'd own a Krash again, but I'd go with the hull only I think.
as far as insurance, I'm currently working with state farm for my superfreak and everything seems to be going well. still looking into the fine print and having a few people in the insurance biz look it over too, but for me if i keep it out of the surf it seems there would be no issue with a claim (fingers crossed).
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Interesting. I plan to go to the surf and that is one of the reasons I'd like to insure it. I have yet to get it registered so I have a lot of work to do.
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Got my @OCD Solutions kit in today! Looking sechchy.
Took apart my ebox and there is nothing obvious as to why I'm having the intermittent start. Hopefully it isn't something major. Happy to have the Krash at the apartment now so I can tinker after work. Managed to remove and diassemble the ebox this evening. Still a lot of work to do between my McMaster, JetManiac, and OCD order.
Took apart my ebox and there is nothing obvious as to why I'm having the intermittent start. Hopefully it isn't something major. Happy to have the Krash at the apartment now so I can tinker after work. Managed to remove and diassemble the ebox this evening. Still a lot of work to do between my McMaster, JetManiac, and OCD order.
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You said you wiggled the harness and it would start again. It is very common for the wires to break right in the grommet. More common in stator harnesses than start/stop though. The new harness should eliminate that if it is the case.
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OK wiring gurus. The Ebox is pretty simple, but I managed to fk something up.
I wired it all up, went to start it and the negative/ground on the battery sparked and made a noise. Here is the video:
Here are some photos. What could cause that, anything obvious?
Few things to note:
I checked that everything was tight and plugged in.
Ebox wasn't closed or mounted to the ski.
I haven't messed with the connections on the starter yet, still tight from last time.
MSD boots didn't make good connection on spark plugs because previous owner removed little threaded caps on the plug.
Using a used start solenoid from JetManiac I just bought.
Refurbished coil and new wires from OCD.
New start/stop switch harness from OCD.
New positive cable from battery to ebox from OCD.
Tidy bilge harness installed fom OCD
I wired it all up, went to start it and the negative/ground on the battery sparked and made a noise. Here is the video:
Here are some photos. What could cause that, anything obvious?
Few things to note:
I checked that everything was tight and plugged in.
Ebox wasn't closed or mounted to the ski.
I haven't messed with the connections on the starter yet, still tight from last time.
MSD boots didn't make good connection on spark plugs because previous owner removed little threaded caps on the plug.
Using a used start solenoid from JetManiac I just bought.
Refurbished coil and new wires from OCD.
New start/stop switch harness from OCD.
New positive cable from battery to ebox from OCD.
Tidy bilge harness installed fom OCD
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So, it seems your starter switch and starter relay are working, but you're getting a short from positive to negative, possibly across the starter motor. Any issues with this starter before?
I'd check to see if there would be anything to short across the starter motor from positive to the case or ground.
I'd check to see if there would be anything to short across the starter motor from positive to the case or ground.
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bad ground on the starter i would look their first or a loose ground some were else
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You didn't mention your ground cable. What kind of shape is it in? It looks like the spark is trying to jump from the motor case to the battery....
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Ashley, Do yourself a favor. Order the OCD Battery Cables and Please Please find some battery straps for the battery. Zip Ties Fail.
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Wait, just saw the battery cables. Why dont you have them on yet?
Your chasing your tail. Get all the new parts installed then test.
Your chasing your tail. Get all the new parts installed then test.
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That is quite impressive!
I'd be surprised if 12VDC can jump that kind of gap so I can't help but wonder if there is some secondary ignition voltage at play there. You mentioned the plugs didn't have the thread on caps, any chance you can swap in some different plugs with the proper tops so the coil is properly terminated?
I'd be surprised if 12VDC can jump that kind of gap so I can't help but wonder if there is some secondary ignition voltage at play there. You mentioned the plugs didn't have the thread on caps, any chance you can swap in some different plugs with the proper tops so the coil is properly terminated?
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Agreed with BK and OCD. You may want to also run an additional ground from your battery or motor case to the E-box ground. The Ebox gets its ground from the stator which could be a weak wire and ground due to age.
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No issues with the starter before. Started instantly and no sparks. Good cranking.
All my battery cables were in good shape, I wanted to replace them with OCD cables purely for beauty's sake. Ski started fine as far as cranking before I messed with the ebox. I did have an intermittent start issue that the system was totally dead...no clicks or sparks, nothing. Was remedied by jiggling the start/stop switch wires at the ebox, no hesitation when it did start.
The battery zip ties were a first day stop gap for the first ride day test that I just did circles making sure the engine ran.
I bought battery straps from JetManiac that came in this week....I tried to install them but the hooks on the H2O tank are pretty poopty to be honest. They don't allow for much grip...straps just want to pop off. I have more faith in the zip ties at this point...not sure what to do.
Having my husband order/buy new BR8HS plugs at the powersports dealer he works at tomorrow. Could the bad plug connection be causing the issue? I don't want to try starting it again like it is in case I fry something important. Does the wiring look like it is generally in the right spot?
I hate electronics. I should have just left it well enough alone and sent it off heh.
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It's hard to tell from the pics but it looks like everything is in place to me. I would swap out that old ground cable and clean the mounting areas and see if that makes any difference.
I can't quite make out the video. Is the spark jumping from the negative of the battery over to the carbs or positive to negative as mentioned above?
The stock electronics are capable of building up to 40,000 volts if it's not given a path to ground at a lesser voltage. This is why they encourage you to never crank the ski with the plug wires disconnected. The plugs should fire and effectively discharge the coil between 12,000 and 14,000 volts. If allowed to climb higher, it will find an alternative and much more expensive path to ground.
This is also why gapping down plugs may resolve an intermittent spark issue. Not only does it produce a nice spark at the plug, it also keeps the voltage from building up high enough to start finding alternative paths.
I can't quite make out the video. Is the spark jumping from the negative of the battery over to the carbs or positive to negative as mentioned above?
The stock electronics are capable of building up to 40,000 volts if it's not given a path to ground at a lesser voltage. This is why they encourage you to never crank the ski with the plug wires disconnected. The plugs should fire and effectively discharge the coil between 12,000 and 14,000 volts. If allowed to climb higher, it will find an alternative and much more expensive path to ground.
This is also why gapping down plugs may resolve an intermittent spark issue. Not only does it produce a nice spark at the plug, it also keeps the voltage from building up high enough to start finding alternative paths.
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A quick check to help diagnose would be to check the resistance between your battery ground and ebox ground as well as resistance from battery ground to motor case. Do you have a multimeter?
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Good info, thank you. Since I wasn't having an issue with the positive and ground cables I was going to wait until I needed to take off the bpipe to swap for the nice looking ones. But I guess now is the time lol. I'll put in the new plugs, try it like it is, and if it doesn't work I'll install the new pos and neg I got from OCD.
No multimeter, might try to see if a relative has one. Not too sure how to use them properly. I have just enough electrical knowledge to be dangerous.
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You will have plenty of knowledge after this!
If everything worked right the first time, what would we ever learn?
If everything worked right the first time, what would we ever learn?
chixwithtrix
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I don't know if it is because I've never had proper training like I have with mechanical, but I've always had a hard time getting my head around electonics. I need to see how stuff works and you can't 'see' electronics work.
In every project I've had electronic issues. I just replace parts until the problem stops.
And it didn't look like the negative was arcing to anything in particular. Just sparking at the battery negative. Could a bad solenoid cause this? That is one of the things that is different with this ebox setup other than the coil and wires.
In every project I've had electronic issues. I just replace parts until the problem stops.
And it didn't look like the negative was arcing to anything in particular. Just sparking at the battery negative. Could a bad solenoid cause this? That is one of the things that is different with this ebox setup other than the coil and wires.
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