Freestyle Krash 50 Cal Footrocket Kit

[KawiKid]

chix,
I think you're on the right path. I did some research and a "Bad/Stuck Starter Solenoid" has absolutely caused this problem in other applications.

This is a convo regarding "negative terminal on battery arcing":


"This is going to be a stuck starter solenoid (aka starter relay), it' got an electromagnet inside that connects the battery to the starter motor when power is applied"

"You might be able to tap on it some with a hammer and get it to free up, it might work for a little while afterwards but you should still replace it."

"thanks man i changed it and it has no more archs but i took the starter off and hooked a jump box to it and its not working so im changing it now"

 

[KawiKid]

hope this helps! good luck!

 

[smoofers]

chix,
I think you're on the right path. I did some research and a "Bad/Stuck Starter Solenoid" has absolutely caused this problem in other applications.

This is a convo regarding "negative terminal on battery arcing":


"This is going to be a stuck starter solenoid (aka starter relay), it' got an electromagnet inside that connects the battery to the starter motor when power is applied"

"You might be able to tap on it some with a hammer and get it to free up, it might work for a little while afterwards but you should still replace it."

"thanks man i changed it and it has no more archs but i took the starter off and hooked a jump box to it and its not working so im changing it now"

Not to be a wet blanket, but a bad or stuck starter solenoid is going to do one of two things.
1 - The solenoid will not engage and no current will travel to the starter.
2 - The solenoid sticks in the engaged position and the starter cranks even after the switch is released - (I've had this happen). Only way to stop is to disconnect the battery.

The arcing would be from a bad starter possibly shorting directly to ground, in which case the starter would be bad. Not trying to flame anybody but this is just bad information.

 

[Jyzmbe]

With a meter you can "see" electrical systems work.

You really need one to diagnose a problem. Throwing parts at something till it eliminates the issue isn't a good way to diagnose something. Buy a sj manual or find one online and get you a decent multi meter. They you can solve almost any electrical issue you you might come across


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[OCD Solutions]

Air is an insulator. Look up the amount of voltage required to jump a 1 inch air gap, much less 4-6". It's a lot higher than 12 volts so your not seeing a short from anything to do with the start circuit voltage. It's secondary voltage from the coil.

 

[Jyzmbe]

Air is an insulator. Look up the amount of voltage required to jump a 1 inch air gap, much less 4-6". It's a lot higher than 12 volts so your not seeing a short from anything to do with the start circuit voltage. It's secondary voltage from the coil.

Unrelated but air is an insulator to a point until it becomes ionized. The ionization of air or gas creates plasma with conductive properties similar to that of metals.


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[Sanoman]

I bought battery straps from JetManiac that came in this week....I tried to install them but the hooks on the H2O tank are pretty poopty to be honest. They don't allow for much grip...straps just want to pop off. I have more faith in the zip ties at this point...not sure what to do.

I have the same problem with my H2O tank,so l took the metal retainers on the straps and put a 45° bend about 3rd of the way from the top and that seems to get a better hook up on the tank.l agree though,those tabs could be a touch longer.l may end up welding some longer tabs depending on how well they hold.

Oh! And you are doing an awesome job with what you had to work with!

 

[chixwithtrix]

I just spent $500 on shiz over the last week that made it perform worse so I'm not in the greatest of moods or wanting to spend more money. Gah...toys.

In the end I just need to shut my bitch ass up and fix it or get it fixed. Just irritated it wasn't doing any of this before I had to mess with it.

Been at work all day mulling over why the fk it started doing that now and the coil, solenoid, start stop and the one positive cable were all that was changed. The Enhancer wiring was the same as it was in my other box, didn't unplug a lot of that.

Once I get home if I have any more energy I'll swap plugs and solenoid and give it a crank again and see what happens.

I have the same problem with my H2O tank,so l took the metal retainers on the straps and put a 45° bend about 3rd of the way from the top and that seems to get a better hook up on the tank.l agree though,those tabs could be a touch longer.l may end up welding some longer tabs depending on how well they hold.

Oh! And you are doing an awesome job with what you had to work with!

Heh, sucks the tanks are like that...but at least I'm not the only one with some random issue. I was excited for my straps and then boom boner killer.

 

[smoofers]

I know you don't want to mess with pulling the pipe, but honestly, swapping out your battery cables is where you should start.

 

[Nate_D]

You can also have a bad solenoid that isn't stuck open or close. It will engage, but not pass enough current.

You are welcome to bring it by my work anytime if you can't get it sorted out.


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[chixwithtrix]

Tried again.
Put the ebox on the ski, no towel.
Tightened the everliving crap out if the negative on the battery.
Tried to start it again. No spark, just click. One click every time I hit the start button.

Swapped out for known working solenoid.

Same thing. Hit start button. One click from solenoid.

Tried to put a charge into battery at 6 amps, but only took 2 so I think it is fine.

 

[chixwithtrix]

Pulling the bpipe tomorrow. Might be able to borrow a multimeter. Someone here thinks it is my start stop switch, someone else thinks it is the starter.

In my frustration, forgot that the hull got a buttload of water in it. Started fine after the ride to clear it out. This has been the first time I tried to start it since then. Maybe the water fuxd the starter. What about a hung bendix if water got in there?

 

[hink320]

Did you get water in the motor by chance, since the hull had a lot of water in it? Try pulling the plugs and turning it over with no compression and see if that changes anything. Just make sure you hold the stop button while you do it so it's not sparking and burning out your coils.

 

[chixwithtrix]

Did you get water in the motor by chance, since the hull had a lot of water in it? Try pulling the plugs and turning it over with no compression and see if that changes anything. Just make sure you hold the stop button while you do it so it's not sparking and burning out your coils.

Yeah, it got water in the rear carb. Ran it on a stand after riding it and ran fine to blast out the water.
That was a few weekends ago.

 

[Jyzmbe]

So no more issue? It was just hydro locked?


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[Jetfiend]

So no more issue? It was just hydro locked?


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Definitely more issues if water has been sitting in there..

@hink320 to the rescue, good call dude!

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[Twake]

Yeah, should be easy to figure out from here. Try it without the plugs in to see if it turns over(not hydrolocked) if it doesn't, then it could be a starter. Of course you can try the tapping on the starter trick to see if it bust loose. Tap on it while hitting the button. If it does, still buy a new one. If it doesn't it could still be stuck.
Never really see bendix stick out, but you could turn your motor over by hand and check that real fast.

Should be easy from here. Don't stress, your ebox should be fine and put together right.

 

[chixwithtrix]

So no more issue? It was just hydro locked?

No no, sorry. I missed some details in that post. I was talking about when I rode it last when all the water got in the hull. After we got it out of the water and home I ran it on the stand and it started and ran fine.
Cleared out water in the exhaust, it wasn't enough water in the cylinder to hydrolock anyway, just splashes. A bad reply to his question of 'at the time'.

I'm still in the same boat I was in, no start, only solenoid clicks.

Definitely more issues if water has been sitting in there..

@hink320 to the rescue, good call dude!

Sadly I was talking in retrospect at the time I got water splashes in the engine. I ran it on the stand after I got home that day and it ran fine.

That isn't the problem now, I do have other issues for sure.

Yeah, should be easy to figure out from here. Try it without the plugs in to see if it turns over(not hydrolocked) if it doesn't, then it could be a starter. Of course you can try the tapping on the starter trick to see if it bust loose. Tap on it while hitting the button. If it does, still buy a new one. If it doesn't it could still be stuck.
Never really see bendix stick out, but you could turn your motor over by hand and check that real fast.

Should be easy from here. Don't stress, your ebox should be fine and put together right.

Eh, engine still doesn't turn over. The water in the engine thing and running it was a couple weekends ago. I tried to tap/whack the starter last night...but no dice there. I'm going to take off the exhaust after work today and see what I see.

 

[erik mx45]

you are getting to confused simplify things jump the starter with a positive wire direct and bypass you solinoid if still wont turn over its either starter or ground ! or your bendix is locked in place !

 

[chixwithtrix]

Guy I bought it from suggested jumping the starter on the phone last night. He also has an extra starter that came off his Rickter that is good...his issue turned out to be a bad ground wire and not the starter. So I might try it.

2 - The solenoid sticks in the engaged position and the starter cranks even after the switch is released - (I've had this happen). Only way to stop is to disconnect the battery.

Actually saw that happen a few weekends ago on this guy's Rickter. Ski almost ran away because the starter was just turning over. Took a few of us to hold it while he used his wet hands to disconnect the battery. Couple of tense moments for sure lol.


I have a feeling it is the starter, or at least the starter connections are poop now that a bunch of water got all up in there. Once again, being a control freak I get blind rage when I don't understand things and forget about the big picture.