mike b
Michael "Mayhem" Bevacqua aka MikeyChan
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If this is purposely built to get new riders into the sport than they purposely forgot that when they built the price tag lol
Krashindustries.com is selling 997cc RTR Skis for $12,000.00
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Big Kahuna
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This is the worse possible ski for someone just joining the sport. They need to get a SJ or SXR and learn how to ride first. Learn the basics........ I have been riding, racing and competing in flat water freestyle for over 27 years now. I just build my first "Flat Water Boat". I am use to 800cc motors from Racing and Competing in Freestyle. That was the CC limit when I retired in 2008. I am not comfortable on 1000cc motors. I can ride them, but not like they were meant to be ridden. A newbie has no business on anything with this kind of power. Heck, Even the IJSBA is going to restrict the power on the new SXR for certain stock classes.
Yeah..... no.
I'll take a new stock superjet and have fun for the next 5 years before I'd buy that and have for for 5 minutes before it broke.
It will be great when it's all done and dialed in and there are available parts. I was the stater kit test dummy and you all know how well that went lol
I'll take a new stock superjet and have fun for the next 5 years before I'd buy that and have for for 5 minutes before it broke.
It will be great when it's all done and dialed in and there are available parts. I was the stater kit test dummy and you all know how well that went lol
- Location
- Red Bluff CA
I got a buddy that's rode prob 10 hours on a sj and wants a aftermarket ski with a bigger engine. He wants to flip. Just because some don't excel quickly doesn't mean every one doesn't. Some have natural talent and want to progress as fast as possible. Some fall in love immediately.
Anything this new and specific, that doesn't have the huge $$$ backing it's development like yami and kawi, is going to go through trials of r and d and have issues. It's going to happen. It's all on if the company stick around and how they handle it. From what I've heard and aee, krash is here to stay and they go out of their way to makes things right the best they can.
Pretty much anything to do with jet skis is marked up, copied, reproduced, and then resold as a different color. By 5 different guys on this site. Not sure why all the hate in a sport that is all about being by the water and having fun. Like I said I personally hope to see a ton of these out there. Bet there will be a few at the fall pismo freeride.
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Anything this new and specific, that doesn't have the huge $$$ backing it's development like yami and kawi, is going to go through trials of r and d and have issues. It's going to happen. It's all on if the company stick around and how they handle it. From what I've heard and aee, krash is here to stay and they go out of their way to makes things right the best they can.
Pretty much anything to do with jet skis is marked up, copied, reproduced, and then resold as a different color. By 5 different guys on this site. Not sure why all the hate in a sport that is all about being by the water and having fun. Like I said I personally hope to see a ton of these out there. Bet there will be a few at the fall pismo freeride.
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mike b
Michael "Mayhem" Bevacqua aka MikeyChan
- Location
- California
Cool so you just mentioned one case out of hundreds of riders. I just picked up snowboarding and was good off the start, so do I buy a freestyle board and hit the jumps and boxes or should I be able to do more than just straight first? Krash will sell these kinds of packages to those kind of people. That's who they are aiming to make money off of. Like I said to make money off of, not to help the new people in the sport. Everyone uses that and game changer. This ain't that! That price is available for 1 out of the 10 people who can afford the ski which is already 1 of the 40 people who see freestyle, who like jet skiing, and want to actually do that.
P.S. your buddy could flip his superjet with foot straps if he wants to flip. Not like this hasn't been done before. Your avartar looks to be you on a SJ on a bail/fail. Looks like you were learning things on that before you get/got an AM hull. No?
And don't confuse hate with an opposite opinion. That's some millennial sh*t. I just see threw the fancy commercials and red tape and see it how it is. This is still an overpriced sport that most people can't afford or don't want to tie up that kind of money. Those people are riding cheaper skis like the SJ. If the goal of this package is to make if for them. Then make the price tag for them! But its not for them, its for people already in the sport that have that or more money tied up in a setup.
And also these first few people buying this package I hope have a warranty or some agreement with Krash because if you come on here with a carnage picture I'm going to go ham with the cry/laugh face emoji. You'd be much better off with a new or reliable used hull (free from any production flaws) and getting a motor suited for your needs and skills and you shouldn't have to worry about anything.
- Location
- Coeur D' Alene, ID
As far as I am concerned, new options, products and innovation can do nothing but help the sport. That being said, Krash does not have a great track record so far on their quality. However, their customer service and fixing issues that crop up has been pretty good from what I have seen. As long as their quality continues to improve and they maintain their customer service at a high standard I think what they are doing is great.
Personally I would rather build my ski the way I want, and I would definitely not buy one of the first RTR Krashes that come out, nor recommend that one of my friends do either. I have a feeling it will be a rocky product launch and there will be some bugs that need to get worked out.
Personally I would rather build my ski the way I want, and I would definitely not buy one of the first RTR Krashes that come out, nor recommend that one of my friends do either. I have a feeling it will be a rocky product launch and there will be some bugs that need to get worked out.
- Location
- Red Bluff CA
They offer a 1 yr warranty. In defects from workmanship or products. There were more krash, rickter, and tigercraft skis at the free rides I've been to, than stock skis. It's growing. And the people I know and talk with don't think 10-15k for a brand new purpose built ski is alot. Or a crazy dangerous handful. To each their own tho. Not trying to argue. Good luck krash with your deal. Hopefully I get to try that engine out soon
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Michael "Mayhem" Bevacqua aka MikeyChan
- Location
- California
I would be very skeptical of this warranty. There is no warranty on motors these days. Now a good engine builder will look at the motor and see if they can diagnosis the issue but a lot of carnage that I would guess in the surf is water consumption/sinking the ski. Now you have to ship your motor to a Krash company that does work for the motor. Where is this? Probably not in the US. When they change that it will for sure be better to have parts readily available. But besides the pump or hull splitting that leaves it open for a lot of non workmanship defects (rider/human error). So I doubt a warranty will be held up on many issues brought back. Especially motor related even if there is a design flaw. Not familiar with that motor design or benefits/disadvantages so I will not comment on those besides readily available parts/upgrades.
Those people at the freerides that have skis are already invested into the sport. Not beginners which is the whole point of the discussion. There are a lot of older Kawis at Pismo that I have seen, SXRs, and SJs so even tho its growing the price is still far fetched for most people. Especially those that have more than one ski. Its not beginner friendly. And those people you are talking to are already members in the sport or invested in the sport so they know what 5k/10k/15k/20k can buy them. The package is based on a company's competitive edge to offer a cheaper product to force business away from tigercraft/rickter/Superfreak/T1/ect. Which is fine, this will make the sport cheaper because everybody's equipment will deprecate at a faster than normal rate. BUT to say this is a ski for beginners to get into the sport is far fetched and not whole hearted. For power and price reasons. That was my main point about the package. To make this sport cheaper that is fine with me, I made a comment the other day about I'd love to be able to have two skis and thinking about how that would be possible but right now its not. In a few years yes I could see.
Not an argument at all. Its two or more people discussing the topic with different opinions. I appreciate that it has stayed civil and mature which I was very surprised about considering that's what the forum has become way too often. I didn't think surf boats could cost as much as they do, but no matter way I cut it 12k for a jet ski is a lot for MOST people. But we are not most people, most of us are insane when we add up on skis lol.
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- the jetski grave yard
12K for a 1000cc surf boat with all the bells and whistles is a smokin deal. its about double that if you bought everything brand new and other brands. if you scoured the world for deals it would take a long time but you could build something used for about that. now weather this ready to ride ski is worth 12K is yet to be seen. a 1 yr warrantee sounds all fine and dandy until they replace a couple things and the year runs out along with the warrantee and more junk goes bad. I was thinking about the $8500 starter kit and then came the horror stories. i'll be waiting for the product to prove its self before I rush out and buy. and the price is going to go up. it always does! remember the phrase AFFORDABLE POWER? LOL
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- Red Bluff CA
Cheap. Fast. Reliable. You only get to pick 2. That's the old motto
But times are changing. Cnc is getting easier and cheaper and better. Competition is getting tighter and more cut throat.
I'd jump in for 12k if I wasn't already into another build. I still might after I see a few flat water videos. I am far from rich so it's feasible for almost anyone with a job.
I'm up for anything that gets more skis on the water. Be it copied splashed hulls for cheap. Or brand new skis rtr for 12k that out a ton more used rn out there for sale. The more riders, the bigger the following. And the cheaper and easier parts get for all of us. It's a win win and I support all of it
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But times are changing. Cnc is getting easier and cheaper and better. Competition is getting tighter and more cut throat.
I'd jump in for 12k if I wasn't already into another build. I still might after I see a few flat water videos. I am far from rich so it's feasible for almost anyone with a job.
I'm up for anything that gets more skis on the water. Be it copied splashed hulls for cheap. Or brand new skis rtr for 12k that out a ton more used rn out there for sale. The more riders, the bigger the following. And the cheaper and easier parts get for all of us. It's a win win and I support all of it
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- Fort Worth, Texas
I Really think you are over-looking the "littles" that put your build way over budget.. some of which are included in the $8500 kit... but lets say at $8500 is where you start... used motor $3500, carbs$1k, reeds/intake/fa's $500, Starter$100, bendix $50, Motor mounts $100, straps, etc etc etc.... The list goes on... and that's all used parts (which I use a lot of but after getting 2 gallons out of a used motor before carb screw went thru it) im kinda prone to more new than used stuff... Can you build one for what they offer? new, there's no way, used probably if you are ok waiting to find great deals on used parts and hope the are good.... If they sold a fixed steer tray ski, I'd be all over it for that $12k.... the reaper isn't the same even if the bottom deck is lol... my bot cost me a HELLA lot more to build.
Also keep in mind the 100 trips to Ace Hardware for the 1 screw you are missing lol... if you just WANT to build a ski, I get it... that's 1/2 the fun but if you're over it, then this is a great way to buy an aftermarket ski cheap
Also keep in mind the 100 trips to Ace Hardware for the 1 screw you are missing lol... if you just WANT to build a ski, I get it... that's 1/2 the fun but if you're over it, then this is a great way to buy an aftermarket ski cheap
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- outer banks
i disagree that all their skis are easy to ride and you can adjust the electrical map for lot less horse power until you grow into it instead of spending 8g on superjet than sell it and spend 15000 later on !this is great idea hope it all works out!
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- outer banks
their will be a 1 year warranty and they are also setting up dealers for repairing them hear in the states hit up chris grace for more info!
- Location
- South Jersey
I can understand that mentality with motorcycles, but what's the harm in putting a beginner on a 1000cc ski? Especially one that seems intended for use in the open ocean. The way I see it, they'll just be doing a lot more swimming than a beginner on a slower ski. It's not like they're going to lose control and broadside a minivan full of kids.
This might be a good opportunity for XH20 to open up an "Manufacturer's Q&A" section. That way Krash can "support" all of the newbs who didn't build their own ski.
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People talk lots of trash without even reading the whole article . Your worried about "beginners" on the ski and the power ect. Obviously you overlooked the part where it has adjustable
Ignition cdi with 4 preset map powers levels that can be changed with the flick of a knob . 70 , 90 , 120 , and 160hp . Anyone riding surf most likely won't use anything more then the 120hp setting and if your new to the ski put it even lower . Anyone who says 12k isn't cheap
Obviously hasn't done a complete build themselves . If the motor is everything it's promised many of you will look very foolish . I too prefer building my own equipment but you cannot duplicate this performance for the money . You could have the same hull and goodies with a stock 61x single carb for that price only . Either way I have One ordered so guess we'll see
Ignition cdi with 4 preset map powers levels that can be changed with the flick of a knob . 70 , 90 , 120 , and 160hp . Anyone riding surf most likely won't use anything more then the 120hp setting and if your new to the ski put it even lower . Anyone who says 12k isn't cheap
Obviously hasn't done a complete build themselves . If the motor is everything it's promised many of you will look very foolish . I too prefer building my own equipment but you cannot duplicate this performance for the money . You could have the same hull and goodies with a stock 61x single carb for that price only . Either way I have One ordered so guess we'll see
Christian_83
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- Denmark
I really dont get why people are not over the moon, that KRASH made this possible, a lot of us have moaned about the sport with freeride and freestyle is to expensive to get into.
12K for a all in surfboat, that is useable for flatware is freaking awesome. it may be a blow to the stomach for those of us with well over double that $$$ into our current builds.
Im happy with all the players that contributes to the sport growing and/or making it easier and cheaper to get into or keep going.
The only reason for the current prices and so high on the jetski parts/builds, is demand and supply, so im excited to see how this Krash deal is going and what the normal RTR price will end at.
12K for a all in surfboat, that is useable for flatware is freaking awesome. it may be a blow to the stomach for those of us with well over double that $$$ into our current builds.
Im happy with all the players that contributes to the sport growing and/or making it easier and cheaper to get into or keep going.
The only reason for the current prices and so high on the jetski parts/builds, is demand and supply, so im excited to see how this Krash deal is going and what the normal RTR price will end at.
as far as innovation and growing the sport its hard to say who has the better idea. The GratisX1 Freeform, or the RTR Krash.
I think the freeform will bring the sport to to a demographic that really has never had anything to do with jetskis. Tech monkeys with to much money, tree huggers of all sorts, hardcore electric enthusiats, tesla drivers, ect.
The krash will provide an option to friends and family of jetski monkeys that have seen what we have gone through building our skis, time and money considered. Once krash can have actual dealerships on board, stocking parts, trained in service. It will be a hit. Chris Grace cant handle it all if it takes off like it SHOULD. If Nick can find people peppered in the states for tech support that are just as passionate about the sport as he is, its going to be a massive WIN. It is very reassuring to hear hes having the motors built and supervised in stralia.
I think the freeform will bring the sport to to a demographic that really has never had anything to do with jetskis. Tech monkeys with to much money, tree huggers of all sorts, hardcore electric enthusiats, tesla drivers, ect.
The krash will provide an option to friends and family of jetski monkeys that have seen what we have gone through building our skis, time and money considered. Once krash can have actual dealerships on board, stocking parts, trained in service. It will be a hit. Chris Grace cant handle it all if it takes off like it SHOULD. If Nick can find people peppered in the states for tech support that are just as passionate about the sport as he is, its going to be a massive WIN. It is very reassuring to hear hes having the motors built and supervised in stralia.
Big Kahuna
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How many 1000cc ski's have you ridden?