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- thumb, mich again
Oh my gosh, you'll let anybody in your garage. Lol
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Super Jet LegDrag Lightweight SuperJet Build
- Thread starter MikeyB
- Start date
- Location
- Cruising Around
Sure has come along way. Good work
VXSXH20
Sionis Industries
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Mikey, Looks awesome and strong as an ox! with the gaggle of engineers in there..you'll either be done by now , or still in the brainstorming/R&D phase indefinitely..Booze helps! -Way to go Bro!
Not done yet but getting closer! Thanks dude. I fell off for a bit because I got sick but now I'm back at it.
Today I picked up some ppg 2k primer and some evercoat filler. I spread the last bit of west systems 410 that I should need on the bottom of the tail and then laid a skim coat of the regular filler down the sides. Tomorrow I will block down the sides and hopefully skim coat the bottom with the evercoat. I'm trying to have it primed and ready for paint this weekend!
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Well it turns out the evercoat filler that I was down sold to from the rage gold that I usually buy is garbage. The stuff is still soft! Its going to be fun stripping that off tonight. In almost 10 years of using this type of filler I have never had this happen. Evercoat has one angry customer and is going to be hearing about it today.
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- Location
- Lake Orion
That sucks!
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Well a pack of 40 grit pads and an hour or so later Im back to where I was. Either something weird is going on or I just didnt add enough hardener to the filler, but Ive never had that happen before and Ive mixed gallons and gallons of body filler through the years. The good part is the surface is super ultra mega prepped now. Going to try it again but do some small hot batches to see how it goes.
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- Location
- Lake Orion
Better hurry riding is prime now!
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I know I know I'm trying!
Laid out the rage, you definitely get what you pay for! So much smoother and it actually dries! I mixed the first batch hot and it was drying before it left the plate. Mixed the rest of it just like I did the first go around and everything seems normal.
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- Location
- Jackson MI
Excuse my lack of knowledge but is that a product similar to bondo? And i assume it won't absorb water like bondo?
Yes its polyester body-filler (bondo) which does absorb water. I used a combination of epoxy + microballons and west systems 410 marine filler for the rough shaping of everything but I dont have the patience to mix the epoxy for all the small pin holes and touch ups that are needed and the 410 does not sand very easy. I figured a skim coat of poly filler sealed up with a 2k primer would be adequate. If there was a pre-mixed epoxy filler out there that you could just add hardener to that would be the ticket but no one locally could point me to it.
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MC you got me second guessing myself now! I just did some quick research on polyester filler characteristics and it being applied over both esters and epoxies. I guess the amine blush from epoxy can lead to problems with applying ester's over top if the surface is not prepped appropriately. At first I thought that may be why I had some issues with the poly filler the intial go around, but there is only epoxy on the repair on the starboard side and the first batch of poly filler had problems everywhere. But this is good info to know for the future.
Now, the big concern that you got me thinking about is water absorbtion of the poly filler which I believe can be attributed to its talc content. A quick search on the evercoat site got me to the tech sheet for rage gold which claims no blistering, wrinkling or softening after 24 hour immersion in water. That makes me feel better as this boat will never be in the water for that long of a period of time. Also, the paint I plan to use is succeptible to blistering after long term exposure to water if used below the waterline (ppg single stage acryclic urethane) which I decided to ignore since again this thing will never be sitting in the water for that long. At the very most it might sit on shore over night.
I initially figured the poly filler wouldn't be a big deal since I am only using a thin coat of it for the final fairing and it will be sealed with primer and paint, plus I just love it because it sands so easy! All of the discussions I have found online say do not let bondo anywhere near a boat, but I can't find any technical information to back that up in relation to what I am doing. I did find a marine filler by evercoat that is polyester based and they state to seal it with gelcoat or a marine grade paint if used below the waterline. I think I am going to move forward with the approach I have and leave it up for discussion if anyone feels the need to chime in with some info.
Now, the big concern that you got me thinking about is water absorbtion of the poly filler which I believe can be attributed to its talc content. A quick search on the evercoat site got me to the tech sheet for rage gold which claims no blistering, wrinkling or softening after 24 hour immersion in water. That makes me feel better as this boat will never be in the water for that long of a period of time. Also, the paint I plan to use is succeptible to blistering after long term exposure to water if used below the waterline (ppg single stage acryclic urethane) which I decided to ignore since again this thing will never be sitting in the water for that long. At the very most it might sit on shore over night.
I initially figured the poly filler wouldn't be a big deal since I am only using a thin coat of it for the final fairing and it will be sealed with primer and paint, plus I just love it because it sands so easy! All of the discussions I have found online say do not let bondo anywhere near a boat, but I can't find any technical information to back that up in relation to what I am doing. I did find a marine filler by evercoat that is polyester based and they state to seal it with gelcoat or a marine grade paint if used below the waterline. I think I am going to move forward with the approach I have and leave it up for discussion if anyone feels the need to chime in with some info.
- Location
- Jackson MI
I was just trying to learn not worry you to death lol.
Hahaha no its cool this is all new to me I want to make sure I do it right and you pointed out something good. I figured everyone avoided poly filler because of strength but never thought of water absorption.
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Finally got a guide coat of primer down on the top deck. Ive got some pinholes to fill on the rails and then Ill hit it with 80 grit and 120 then spray on the 2k high build primer. After that Ill flip it over and finish the bottom deck.
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- Location
- Denver, ColoRADo
How is your garage so clean after all that work. Mine is a train wreck right now. Kudos on the work that is lookin good
Usually it looks like a tornado has came through after Im out working on something, but I finally have most of my stuff organized so Ive been trying to keep up on it. Thanks!
I decided to take a break from the ski for the rest of the weekend and got out on the lake for some much needed relaxation but I did get a chance to plumb up a better air system on my compressor and I also added an overhead hoist in the garage which should help pulling motors on both the sleds and the skis. Ordered some more of the six10 epoxy for when it comes time to do the inserts in the engine bay and Im going to try to pick up the paint tomorrow after work and get back to the body work throughout the week.
Oh and I think Ive decided to try making a mold for a bolt on front rail.
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Blocked out the top deck with 80 grit and laid down what will hopefully be the last of the rage on this side. Going to finish sanding the top up to 220 tomorrow night then flip it over and get the bottom caught up. The paint store is open late thursday so Ill be picking up the paint then. If Im on my game Ill be spraying primer thursday then doing a final 320-400 sanding friday and shooting the grabber blue saturday, if all goes as planned!
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VXSXH20
Sionis Industries
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Grabber Blue...? This build just gets better and better. I have wanted that color on my hull since i first saw it.. my build is on hold. But it will look so sharp on this hull! black pole by chance? is that your fx1 over there? >