Light weight hulls...

[crammit442]

You don't hear about people smashing up hulls because you're not looking for it. Those that do don't advertise the fact (unless they got warranty issues :wavey
There are plenty of a/m composite parts (incl hulls) getting smashed up. Just look & listen.
If someone can't build a hood to last, I wouldn't trust their hulls. (and vice versa)
And if I apply my first two rules, your list gets quite a bit shorter.

If it were me buying a new a/m hull, I would talk to plenty of current and past owners.
Not those that work there, know someone that has one, have ordered one, are waiting for it, have just gotten it - no, those that have owned and ridden for a few seasons.
Example: Do you know of many people that have been riding the same lightweight WDK or Wammer hull for a few years?

Disclaimer: I seem to be sort of ruling out Trinity and X-Scream from the get-go. I would look at their past work - not too hard to do if they've been in the composite business for a while.

That's the truth. I know of a couple of hulls that have been broken pretty badly and have managed to be kept on the down low:tapedshut:, in part due to warranty promises. I also know of several "best for the money" hoods/nose pieces that are looking pretty tired after a year or so of use. I would say that overall, the quality of aftermarket hulls seems to be getting better. There are still a few turds out there, though.

 

[skibums4life]

I think what is funny is everyone has their opinions but how many of these people actually own a after market hull. To be honest there is a huge difference from a surf to a flat water to a 3,000 dollar waterdawg hull compared to a 10,000 de hull.

With that said I'm happy with my lenzi flatwater hull. I haven't ridden it alot but to be honest the less it weighs the more you compromise on strength. I reinforced it, foamed it and love it.

Riding everytime with someone who has a flatwater xft hull and looking at my xft surf hood and his flatwater hood their is a dramatic difference from the same manufacture. Their are alot of people that are using hulls not for their intended purpose so they are breaking.

Now on behalf of seeing a lenzi flat water hull and a xft flatwater hull I would choose the xft for their fit, finish and design while the price is also less expensive.

Knowing everyone who has gotten aftermarket hoods and riding the skis for a long time and seeing the abuse of everything each manufacture has their different market niche.

A $1400.00 xft surf hood better have a better fit and finish then a waterdawg 400.00 hood.

And I have seen the trinity hood for the sxr and nose piece and to be honest the hood seems like the product is constructed well but the nose piece has a horrible fit. For paying for the price the product should fit correctly. How can yamaha make parts that fit perfect but no after market manufacture can.

How about we only let people who actually ride with people every time with these hulls or people who have these hulls themselves talk.

 

[Tuttle]

bronson and mike- show us your boats you own from your builders...oops neither of you have one. so I would not put to much weight on your words of wisdom. yes I have seen both and agree they are definitely superior quality, but c'mon both are pretty new on the scene. I would rather hear from someone who has beaten on a ski for a few seasons and who actually owns it to tell me about flaws. which all skis have to a degree. its a whole lot of money to spend and it won't make you a pro rider. better- maybe. but more practice will do that to and is more or less free.

of course I can understand you guys giving your friends props but seriously it getting a little old already. its like you guys are getting trinity and x-metal credits, a dollar a post eh? bronson should have enough for a hull soon.

:wavey:

+10!

X2

 

[joshuaeric]

bronson and mike- show us your boats you own from your builders...oops neither of you have one. so I would not put to much weight on your words of wisdom. yes I have seen both and agree they are definitely superior quality, but c'mon both are pretty new on the scene. I would rather hear from someone who has beaten on a ski for a few seasons and who actually owns it to tell me about flaws. which all skis have to a degree. its a whole lot of money to spend and it won't make you a pro rider. better- maybe. but more practice will do that to and is more or less free.

of course I can understand you guys giving your friends props but seriously it getting a little old already. its like you guys are getting trinity and x-metal credits, a dollar a post eh? bronson should have enough for a hull soon.

:wavey:

head of nail, meet hammer

 

[Trinity Composites]

I agree with some of the things here, but also want to say that Mike and Bronson will beat the snot out of most things before others warm there stuff up. They have seen a lot of different skis from what happens down here to compare too. You guys are right about the sales pitch, I don't need it and Bronson is just being a great friend. I'm sure the same goes for Mike knowing what Pat is up too. It will take time to get the word out as time tells what some of these new hulls are about. I'm speaking of Pat's product as well because he only wants the best. I consider him a friend who's been there for me. I'm on here to get my product out, showing pics and explanation. My stuff hit the streets in Jan. 08 so it is brand new. I am fortunate to have started from the top 3 years ago when this started as a side show. Gaining a lot of info from the bests riders in the world on what is needed for the best over all package. One being Josh who is ready to do this thing. Which only fuels the fire to build beyond the norm to keep it from blowing up when he wants to rip it apart on the water. Now its full on swamped thanks to guys who trust what I've shown and said to them. And its only getting more interesting as whats to come, working with some of the best in the industry for the other components for these hulls. That will be seen in Oct. as the world of riders meet up to compete. My stuff will be in freestyle as well as racing. I'm not on here to argue, just network. Sorry to rub anybody the wrong way and we'll turn it down a bit sticking to pics and stories. And wait for the product to start talking good or bad as you guys are saying, which I agree is the only way.:Banane35:

 

[MADMAT]

I would love to see openly posted prices on hulls.

I am ready to buy a hull RIGHT NOW but I don't have the time to be calling everyone and pricing everyone out.

It would be nice to see all builders list prices for various packages. I don't know why pricing seems to be so secretive in these forums over the years.

How about a list of blatantly posted prices for all of us to see. That would help some make a final decision.

Some people just want to click and buy after they do a LITTLE homework.


EDIT: Finally started to actually look and some do have prices but not a complete list of full carbon and /or kevlar mixes and or whatever.........

I guess I'm gonna have to make my own list

 

[sflsurfrider]

I agree with some of the things here, but also want to say that Mike and Bronson will beat the snot out of most things before others warm there stuff up. They have seen a lot of different skis from what happens down here to compare too. You guys are right about the sales pitch, I don't need it and Bronson is just being a great friend. I'm sure the same goes for Mike knowing what Pat is up too. It will take time to get the word out as time tells what some of these new hulls are about. I'm speaking of Pat's product as well because he only wants the best. I consider him a friend who's been there for me. I'm on here to get my product out, showing pics and explanation. My stuff hit the streets in Jan. 08 so it is brand new. I am fortunate to have started from the top 3 years ago when this started as a side show. Gaining a lot of info from the bests riders in the world on what is needed for the best over all package. One being Josh who is ready to do this thing. Which only fuels the fire to build beyond the norm to keep it from blowing up when he wants to rip it apart on the water. Now its full on swamped thanks to guys who trust what I've shown and said to them. And its only getting more interesting as whats to come, working with some of the best in the industry for the other components for these hulls. That will be seen in Oct. as the world of riders meet up to compete. My stuff will be in freestyle as well as racing. I'm not on here to argue, just network. Sorry to rub anybody the wrong way and we'll turn it down a bit sticking to pics and stories. And wait for the product to start talking good or bad as you guys are saying, which I agree is the only way.:Banane35:

:haha: :lmao::haha: :lmao:i think eric malone would disagree.

 

[Big Kahuna]

:haha: :lmao::haha: :lmao:i think eric malone would disagree.

Hey Charlie, I dont see you building anything!!!!!!!!!

 

[sflsurfrider]

Hey Charlie, I dont see you building anything!!!!!!!!!

hey harrison, turn to page 14 of the latest ride issue.

regardless, it doesnt matter. im not claiming to have started from the "top".

i dont see YOU building anything.

 

[Big Kahuna]

hey harrison, turn to page 14 of the latest ride issue.

regardless, it doesnt matter. im not claiming to have started from the "top".

i dont see YOU building anything.

LOL. Putting a ski together is not "Building" anything.........But Nice Job, let me pat you on the back.

We built a large playhouse for crybabies, it is called Daycare.

 

[Idok]

I would love to see openly posted prices on hulls.

I am ready to buy a hull RIGHT NOW but I don't have the time to be calling everyone and pricing everyone out.

It would be nice to see all builders list prices for various packages. I don't know why pricing seems to be so secretive in these forums over the years.

How about a list of blatantly posted prices for all of us to see. That would help some make a final decision.

Some people just want to click and buy after they do a LITTLE homework.


EDIT: Finally started to actually look and some do have prices but not a complete list of full carbon and /or kevlar mixes and or whatever.........

I guess I'm gonna have to make my own list

I hear ya Matt....I didnt even look at some companies when I was shopping for simple fact of:

"call for price"


I know I know prices vary with what you want...but come on, not listing prices is just shooting yourself in the foot!




:stups::burnout:

 

[Big Kahuna]

Each hull is mostly Custom. So it is hard to actually price. Wammer's Hulls are probably the only ones that are off the shelf purchases. Personally, I would rather pick up the phone and call someone and say "Hey, this is my riding style, my skill level etc........."

 

[sflsurfrider]

LOL. Putting a ski together is not "Building" anything.........But Nice Job, let me pat you on the back.

We built a large playhouse for crybabies, it is called Daycare.

sure it is. i just didnt build the hull. by your logic, building a house isnt really "building", unless youre actually making the concrete blocks or growing the trees that are used to make the lumber.

a warm spot for your nose has been built. its called sideshow bob's azz.

im surprised you had it out long enough to read this.

he must wear a laptop on his back.

 

[Trinity Composites]

I am offering two builds right now which can be seen in the ski builds forum. An Evo Pro and An Evo XF. Evo Pro complete $8600, Evo XF complete $6000. Complete ski includes Hull with options for stock tank and water box, nosepeice, hood, footholds, and rideplate. Nosepeice, hood, foothold, and rideplate are built with the same process and materials for either ski. And further more, who cares what Eric Malone agrees with. Times have changed!

 

[sflsurfrider]

I am offering two builds right now which can be seen in the ski builds forum. An Evo Pro and An Evo XF. Evo Pro complete $8600, Evo XF complete $6000. Complete ski includes Hull with options for stock tank and water box, nosepeice, hood, footholds, and rideplate. Nosepeice, hood, foothold, and rideplate are built with the same process and materials for either ski. And further more, who cares what Eric Malone agrees with. Times have changed!

good point. what does the world champion freestyler's opinion matter anyway? what does HE know? afterall, his first boat did crumble to pieces. thanks for setting me straight.:Banane35:

 

[Superjet3]

I am very happy with the lightweight 08 style superjet I got from 24-7.

 

[MADMAT]

I am very happy with the lightweight 08 style superjet I got from 24-7.

Now that right there sounds pretty sweeet!!!

 

[Trinity Composites]

good point. what does the world champion freestyler's opinion matter anyway? what does HE know? afterall, his first boat did crumble to pieces. thanks for setting me straight.:Banane35:

Haters will always hate. Let me really set you straight. I ran into that punk at a lake not even knowing who he was. Since I grew up riding dirt and been broken to many times, I went to play in the water full time. Saw these guys riding from the road and was looking for some people to ride with. First guy I talked to was Josh. Malone had no time for me until he heard me talking about what I do for a living, which was not building jet skis. Boom, the light went off in his head. It gets better, since Josh and Brad had told me all the stories from that day on. No need for the added drama. We can talk in more detail when I met you face to face if needed. So I talked with him on a daily bases explaining how to build the first set of molds off a kawi. Since he thought the ski could not compete without major weight reduction. So the first set of molds were finished by Malone and I flew up to build parts ONLY. When I got there and saw the molds I had to take a deep breath and make it work. He had the wrong materials and was missing materials, so I scrambled on the phone to get everything needed before I flew back home. I pulled it off and he and others said they never saw anything that light and strong. I was told it only needed to last 40 gals. So I was sure things were good for the world finals. Which that was all the ski was built for. I was worried about the fit of the parts because I didn't make the first set of molds. Had to leave and never saw the ski made. I flew out to the wf in 05 and saw the ski and was a little scared and concerned with how long it would last. AGAIN I did not build the ski. Come to find out the upper and lower had a .5 inch gap around the bond rail stuffed with all sorts of glue and material. The back was cut minus 2" and patched with carbon which is a disaster waiting to happen. Along with many other issues. It held up for the guy to win and piss everyone off since he was sponsored by Kawi and ran a Polaris engine. When kawi dropped him, I made the second set of molds right, then split myself. Here are a few pics of the build and why there were issues. This is what happens when beginners in composites build a fairly simple vehicle. These build pics look nothing like mine posted here on the x. Charlie your a wonderful person and look forward to meeting you soon. A+ for the effort, keep shooting it makes me work harder.

 

[MADMAT]

I am offering two builds right now which can be seen in the ski builds forum. An Evo Pro and An Evo XF. Evo Pro complete $8600, Evo XF complete $6000. Complete ski includes Hull with options for stock tank and water box, nosepeice, hood, footholds, and rideplate. Nosepeice, hood, foothold, and rideplate are built with the same process and materials for either ski. And further more, who cares what Eric Malone agrees with. Times have changed!

Thank you for that info.


And this thread is not about building a ski (define that as ya will).

Its about lightweight hulls. And I can't wait to rip one!!!

 

[Kennay]

sure it is. i just didnt build the hull. by your logic, building a house isnt really "building", unless youre actually making the concrete blocks or growing the trees that are used to make the lumber.

a warm spot for your nose has been built. its called sideshow bob's azz.

im surprised you had it out long enough to read this.

he must wear a laptop on his back.

opworm::lmao::lmao::lmao:

sorry Big K, but that's funny right there