Idok
F1pro
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- Nations oldest muthaF+++kin city
fx's have rocker from the factory, why do ya'll think we like them!?!?!?
FX-1 making the first Tom21 carbon fx1
- Thread starter tom21
- Start date
- Location
- Largo, Fl
1. I am not sure where Tom ended up, he was going to set the pump back so a SJ shaft would work.
2. Heck yea! That was where this project started, pump replacement. So why not use the SJ tunnel?
3. Wide! 14.5"? http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/116514-FX1-wide-tray-replacement-piece
- Location
- Lake Orion
Can't wait to see it done!
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
chasingdaylite had a spacer- basically a second wear ring installed on his to use the stock sj shaft. I think he is still playing around with setups. if I remember he said it felt looser with the shorter setup. but I think he was still playing with props? I have to talk with him about it.
totally slipped my mind, on the top I also widened the rails and angled them out. If it doent work out I can always make an insert for the mold and reign it back in.
totally slipped my mind, on the top I also widened the rails and angled them out. If it doent work out I can always make an insert for the mold and reign it back in.
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tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
the plan is to make complete hulls for sale. I am not rushing into it though, I have plenty to do yet and am also still doing ski repairs and other parts. Im thinking it would be better/smarter to build a hull and then sell it? rather than to be under pressure to produce a hull in a given amount of time. sometimes things get very hectic with kids and some other responsibilities I have to tend to. And in past years I have been way further behind on parts orders then I ever care to be again. So while I desperately want to make this hull and the x2 I have planned, I also realize how things go from a steady pace to holy crap! in a few hours.
somebody smarter than me could probably take orders and money and then figure out the problem of how to get it done. Ive been there before and it was no fun. quality > quantity.
somebody smarter than me could probably take orders and money and then figure out the problem of how to get it done. Ive been there before and it was no fun. quality > quantity.
- Location
- MICHIGAN
Can't wait to see the finished product. been watching since your first post way back. looking good
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- Location
- Largo, Fl
Tom, I think you have the right idea... build them as you can and then sell. You are way too busy in real life and you are not going to get rich enough to quit your day job. I would still suggest that you build in a schedule of ## hours per week you dedicate to working on them (and stick to it). Then you can take your time build them the way you want (superanalmofo). Then you might get a true picture of how many hours it takes....
Good luck man.
Good luck man.
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
best laid plans...this has always been the strategy. but you know as well as I do you cant schedule sick days or honeydoo lists lol. or rehabing a rental. or whatever else life has in store.
thanks for the advice. At least im well stocked on the stubborn persistance :biggthumpup:
thanks for the advice. At least im well stocked on the stubborn persistance :biggthumpup:
CD155MX
Squirrel!!!
- Location
- Alta Loma, CA
I bet this will work out well.
- Location
- Dalhart, TX
Can't wait for these to come out!
- Location
- Gilbert, AZ
I'm in no hurry either, and i'm still having fun on my 144 FX-1, but I want a lighter FX-1 with a wider tray, tubbies, and 144, but don't feel like hacking up another hull to do it. what time frame are you thinking? A year? Do you have a price range in mind?
Can you describe the flat water handling? Using an FX-1 w/ 144 pump and no tubbies, and a 2008+ sj for comparison, Where does the handling of this hull fit in?
Can you describe the flat water handling? Using an FX-1 w/ 144 pump and no tubbies, and a 2008+ sj for comparison, Where does the handling of this hull fit in?
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
I am thinking about setting up a pay for work type schedule where a deposit is made to get the materials and start work. As work progresses payments are made. with a final payment when it ships. this way I can make it like a regular paid work week(or no work-no money) and the buyer is assured of progress with pics as each payment is made.
This might solve some of the issues where I have other smaller parts to make slowing work. Avoiding the whole payment is made and now I have to put everything else on hold until I get this done and then not being able to keep to that. It might provide an even exchange at a pace I can keep while actually getting builds under way.
the other option would be to build it and sell it. this option will be slow as it all funded out pocket and there is no real pressure without a real commitment.
the handling on the ski used as a plug is very much like an fx1. it still needs more body control than a sj, but this hull has tubbies and that helps smooth some of the squirrellyness. the pump is obvious, there are tons of posts describing better hookup provided by a larger pump. the wider tray is again just another simply understood benefit.
To me and my experience from sj and sxr this ski feels like a lighter more nimble sj.
Now this is what the stock fx with the grafted in pump, grafted in tray, grafted on tubbies and smoothed fuel fill rides like. this makes this boat a little bit heavier than stock. and now we are going the other direction with the weight.
also my riding skills leave a lot to be desired as far as riders go. so what is my opinion worth? what will a 45 to 50 lbs fx ride like? you can try to guess at that from what modded fxs ride like and combine that with what lightweight hulls ride like or wait until the first one is on the water and get a more accurate report from that.
once all the of the build is complete I will have a price. at this point im still needing to make a liner mold and get a pattern for the bulkhead. working on a jig for engine, pto and pump placement plus all the little bits and pieces to complete it.
This might solve some of the issues where I have other smaller parts to make slowing work. Avoiding the whole payment is made and now I have to put everything else on hold until I get this done and then not being able to keep to that. It might provide an even exchange at a pace I can keep while actually getting builds under way.
the other option would be to build it and sell it. this option will be slow as it all funded out pocket and there is no real pressure without a real commitment.
the handling on the ski used as a plug is very much like an fx1. it still needs more body control than a sj, but this hull has tubbies and that helps smooth some of the squirrellyness. the pump is obvious, there are tons of posts describing better hookup provided by a larger pump. the wider tray is again just another simply understood benefit.
To me and my experience from sj and sxr this ski feels like a lighter more nimble sj.
Now this is what the stock fx with the grafted in pump, grafted in tray, grafted on tubbies and smoothed fuel fill rides like. this makes this boat a little bit heavier than stock. and now we are going the other direction with the weight.
also my riding skills leave a lot to be desired as far as riders go. so what is my opinion worth? what will a 45 to 50 lbs fx ride like? you can try to guess at that from what modded fxs ride like and combine that with what lightweight hulls ride like or wait until the first one is on the water and get a more accurate report from that.
once all the of the build is complete I will have a price. at this point im still needing to make a liner mold and get a pattern for the bulkhead. working on a jig for engine, pto and pump placement plus all the little bits and pieces to complete it.
Joker
...chaos? Its Fair!
- Location
- La Porte, Indiana
How will the motor mounts be incorporated?
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
individual mount bosses bonded to the hull.
- Location
- South Dakota
Glad to see this project coming to light Tom. subscribed
- Location
- Dalhart, TX
I like the pay-as-you-go idea you had. That way it keeps both the buyer and builder honest and in communication. And it helps spread the cost of the hull over a period of time rather than a lump sum payment, which is harder for most people to do. I personally am very excited to see how this goes! Subscribed
naticen
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- Location
- wilmington, nc
You might end up switching up the market with buyers disappearing and never coming through on dates. Payment plans bring out optimistic people who may over step their budget. If I were to do a pay as you build, I would have a little contract about you have 10 days after their payment to show the next step and they have 15 days after that to make the next payment. Without a definitive line, it could easily end up with both parties taking a little longer than the other wants and next thing you know, you've got a half dozen, year old, half built hulls followed by who knows how much drama. I'd even detail number of payments and what step you complete with each one.
Very excited to see this by the way. Not a big market, but I can't believe nobody else would take this piece of the pie when there is so much negative feedback on WDK. I know who I'd be getting in touch with if I didn't already have an F1 sitting in my garage. Good luck with the whole thing.
Very excited to see this by the way. Not a big market, but I can't believe nobody else would take this piece of the pie when there is so much negative feedback on WDK. I know who I'd be getting in touch with if I didn't already have an F1 sitting in my garage. Good luck with the whole thing.
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tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
Good point, I guess I was pretty narrowminded in that I was thinking about only building one hull at a time. The main holdups would be other normal shop work which I have a little flexibility in scheduling but not enough to put off til a hull is completed. and then the unforseen stuff like family related or sick days.
Im thinking that if you put in the initial investment that you are not going to walk away from that. You do make a very valid point in how it could end up being an extended period of time to get payments. This would not be good if it happened too many times.
the more I think about it the more I like your idea. maybe a build schedule that makes say 4 easy pieces of the build and 4 payments or even 6.
1) materials/begin labor deposit
2) completed bottom
3) completed top
4) completed hood, liner, bilge wall, footholds
5) completed mount, insert bonding and top/bottom bonded. ski is finished
6) crated and ready to ship- final payment
Allowing 1 week on the short side and 3? on the long for each step depending on customer preference and my workload?
please if this is a stupid idea somebody let me know, Im just trying to think how to make it easier for everybody while building in some insurance for both parties.
Does anyone else offer something besides the pay me and hope I deliver?
Im thinking that if you put in the initial investment that you are not going to walk away from that. You do make a very valid point in how it could end up being an extended period of time to get payments. This would not be good if it happened too many times.
the more I think about it the more I like your idea. maybe a build schedule that makes say 4 easy pieces of the build and 4 payments or even 6.
1) materials/begin labor deposit
2) completed bottom
3) completed top
4) completed hood, liner, bilge wall, footholds
5) completed mount, insert bonding and top/bottom bonded. ski is finished
6) crated and ready to ship- final payment
Allowing 1 week on the short side and 3? on the long for each step depending on customer preference and my workload?
please if this is a stupid idea somebody let me know, Im just trying to think how to make it easier for everybody while building in some insurance for both parties.
Does anyone else offer something besides the pay me and hope I deliver?
kraqus
Site Supporter
- Location
- Great State of Texas
This is definitely new.....both the Hull project and the way you think of "financing" each build.
If I may add......you could also use a "Lay away" system. The cost of the build divided by 12 months.
At the end of the 12 months, buyer expects hull and you know you have to deliver.
You would have to get contracts, etc....I would not even try this without a contract.
Best part is the contract could be "transferable"....
I can buy it from a waiting party and simply keep making the remaining payments.
Benny
If I may add......you could also use a "Lay away" system. The cost of the build divided by 12 months.
At the end of the 12 months, buyer expects hull and you know you have to deliver.
You would have to get contracts, etc....I would not even try this without a contract.
Best part is the contract could be "transferable"....
I can buy it from a waiting party and simply keep making the remaining payments.
Benny
- Location
- Largo, Fl
stop posting and start building.