Msd enhancer vs protec modded cdi

[JetManiac]

Thank you! I’ve heard many times now they work fine with oem stator, oem flywheel, and standard crank

Btw - I own one but haven’t used it. Been nervous because of previous Vilder experience.

Performance was great when they worked but they were many issues with them as well.

 

[MTRHEAD]

Performance was great when they worked but they were many issues with them as well.

I purchased this EPIC HX3 with visions of building a Limited Spec Superjet. In past years (96-02) Limited spec we used MSD's or 62t's with rev limiters removed and we barely got to 7000-7100 rpm. 61x cylinders and dry pipes. I personally used one of Advents very first CDI's on 01' too great success after multiple Vilders........RPM was still lower because of the 61x cylinder.

With the rules currently you can run a 760 cylinder lifted so there's no reason other than timing that you cant spin 7600rpm. Solid SXR limited's run 7600-7700 rpm. To accomplish that you need about 12-14 degrees of advance at that rpm. The EPIC is one way to get that timing within the rules of OEM electronics/aftermarket CDI. However I've heard of heat failures from running them hard...I'm assuming RPM drove some of this heat failure issues. This is all just word of mouth.

Running an MSD and rotating the stator to retard the ignition is one means to reducing timing. But you loose some of the low hit that you can get with the programmable ignition

Anyways -still on the fence....my primary riding area is not conducive to any failures: "deep river" with current.

 

[waxhead]

Just buy a 760 front cover and flywheel, a gp800 electrical box and a zeeltronic. Take the magnets off the 760 flywheel and build a reliable total loss system that uses yamaha electrical plugs and coils

 

[Storbeck]

Waxhead, which model Zeeltronic? If the stock coil is used would the single channel PDCI-11 work?

The single channel zeeltronic is surprisingly low cost based on very brief googling.

 

[MTRHEAD]

Just buy a 760 front cover and flywheel, a gp800 electrical box and a zeeltronic. Take the magnets off the 760 flywheel and build a reliable total loss system that uses yamaha electrical plugs and coils

I did that! I ran the KHI racing cdi. However 760 Yamaha parts not legal for limited or spec. I even discussed with Ijsba. Denied

 

[waxhead]

Waxhead, which model Zeeltronic? If the stock coil is used would the single channel PDCI-11 work?

The single channel zeeltronic is surprisingly low cost based on very brief googling.

Yes that ones to use, I will give you guys some info just wait

 

[waxhead]

I did that! I ran the KHI racing cdi. However 760 Yamaha parts not legal for limited or spec. I even discussed with Ijsba. Denied

Yes your right for a limited setup

 

[waxhead]

Ok here is the link
http://www.zeeltronic.com/page/pdci-11.php

The reason you use a gp800 electrical box is because it holds this ignition. you grind the legs off the zeel tronic and its the same size as the std gp 800 ignition

Then you grind the small lump off the 760 flywheel. Wire up the ignition and time it up. Jobs done
Its a amazing simple and i have used it plenty of times
This thing has so much spark its incredible, watch out it will hurt

This is it on my triple through stock coils. dont bother with the other more expensive systems out there. this uses all the stock stuff so you know its reliable

 

[Harbor]

Nice but what am I missing here. Wheres the pickup to trigger the module when the magnet passes it ?

Just buy a 760 front cover and flywheel, a gp800 electrical box and a zeeltronic. Take the magnets off the 760 flywheel and build a reliable total loss system that uses yamaha electrical plugs and coils

 

[waxhead]

A 760 flywheel and front cover has it all built in

 

[Storbeck]

For the limited setup I wonder if it could trigger from the 62t pickup coil?

I'm looking at the documentation and not (yet) seeing anything specified about what it can use for triggering.

I do see now that it can use two 'bumps' for wasted spark on a twin.

Impressive looking unit.

 

[waxhead]

For the limited setup I wonder if it could trigger from the 62t pickup coil?

No you cant, but good thinking

 

[Storbeck]

"one isolated input for magnetic input"

Probably triggers on a zero crossing from an AC signal (??) So possibly could actually work with the 62t trigger?

 

[Storbeck]

No you cant, but good thinking

Oh, well damn.

Out of curiosity, why not?

 

[waxhead]

"one isolated input for magnetic input"

Probably triggers on a zero crossing from an AC signal (??) So possibly could actually work with the 62t trigger?

I think you will find thats for an hall effect sensor, i may be wrong its worth sending him an email and asking

 

[MTRHEAD]

Same concept as oem Kawasaki since 1992!

 

[waxhead]

Same concept as oem Kawasaki since 1992!

Yes sir

 

[Storbeck]

I think you will find thats for an hall effect sensor, i may be wrong its worth sending him an email and asking

Hall effect sensor would have three wires, and not require isolation, no?

I guess if a guy really wants to know it's best to contact zeeltronic as you say.

 

[Quinc]

Just buy a 760 front cover and flywheel, a gp800 electrical box and a zeeltronic. Take the magnets off the 760 flywheel and build a reliable total loss system that uses yamaha electrical plugs and coils

Maybe if we flood zeeltronics email with requests they will make one for the 62T electronics?

 

[Quinc]

@waxhead Do you have experience with the 700cc superjet model?

http://www.zeeltronic.com/page/pdcis-01T.php

Manual:
http://www.zeeltronic.com/manuals/manual_standard_PDCIS-01T_130606.pdf

Email from Zeel:

"PDCIS-01T was already used for Yamaha Superjet 700cc.
PDCI-11 gives stronger spark, but I'm not sure how it will preform at starting.
Both units are programmable with handheld programmer, or PC.
Prices VAT included:
PDCIS-01T 183,00euro (Cheaper then msd enhancer)
PDCI-11 213,50euro
handheld programmer 59,78euro
PC-USB programmer 46,36euro
shipping cost depend on your location...we need your postal code."