Msd Enhancers Are Same As Stock ????

[hangtime]

Greg at Advent told me the MSD enhancers are the same timing as stock .That would mean the only benefit is a hotter spark which is a crock of shiat .So $250 for hotter spark which means nothing on a finely tuned motor .WTF

Why didn't someone say this before so many of us wasted our money .:banghead:

 

[SuperJETT]

What else do you expect someone that sells ignitions is going to say?

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

according to the documentation that MSD puts out and supplies with the enhancers it has a very different timing curve than stock.

Do you believe EVERYTHING you are told?

http://www.msdpowersports.com/pwc_enhancers.html

Not to mention a hotter spark is better, especially on high compression engines.

BTW, arent the advents the ones that are generally defective out of the box?

and cost more than a MSD enhancer?

haha, no wonder someone selling them is telling you that.

 

[ski4]

now way the difference in performance is strictly hotter spark
it's the timing curve and adjustable rev limiter on it too.

 

[hangtime]

Of course I don't believe eveything I'm told ,especially from you .
.
You either believe MSD or Advent ?? Which one ??

I wasn't calling him to buy an Ignition .I actually called to ask about the MSD .


Does anyone have proof with a timing light that the curve is different or we just believe eveythiung were told from MSD

according to the documentation that MSD puts out and supplies with the enhancers it has a very different timing curve than stock.

Do you believe EVERYTHING you are told?

http://www.msdpowersports.com/pwc_enhancers.html

Not to mention a hotter spark is better, especially on high compression engines.

BTW, arent the advents the ones that are generally defective out of the box?

and cost more than a MSD enhancer?

haha, no wonder someone selling them is telling you that.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

Yes,

I used a timing light to determine that my $50 used msd enhancer ( thats many years old) is better than a defective ignition that costs more, and is sold by someone who tries to move product by running down competitors products with false claims that are unsubstantiated.

and yes, I realize that I have an uncommonly KICKASS timing light.

 

[SXIPro]

Next we'll be hearing that the Ford salesmen are saying thier trucks are better than....well, never mind..who would believe that :censored:

 

[hangtime]

So Greg is a liar then ,that's what I'm trying to find out .:reporter:

 

[ski4]

it would seem like it in this case. jsut the fact that it is hotter spark disproves it as being " just a stock cdi"

 

[SuperJETT]

This sounds like a good test, who has a timing light and both an Enhancer and stock cdi?

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

I do.

according to the chart, at 1500 rpms, there should be a 5 degree difference in the MSD enhancer as compared to the stock CDI.

How to hold the engine at exactly 1500 rpms?

I guess I have to cut up a flywheel cover too huh?

and tear into my running ski, and swap CDIs..

sounds like a day long project, have Greg do it.

 

[hangtime]

Yes,

I used a timing light to determine that my $50 used msd enhancer ( thats many years old) is better than a defective ignition that costs more sold by someone who tries to move product by running down competitors with false claims.

and yes, I realize that I have an uncommonly KICKASS timing light.

Ok Ok lake ,calm down dude .I'm trying to figure this out and it appears most people are saying Greg is full of shiat and saying that the MSD's are no good just to sell his higher priced ignitions .

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

Im messing with you hangtime..

That is exactly what it sounds like to me, and honestly that sucks, I hear when the advents WORK they are great ( and programmable if I understand it correctly) ignitions.

sucks that someone would try and sell something based on running down a competitor..
oh wait, thats almost the only way this industry operates isnt it?

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

Oh yeah.. ive never said or thought that a MSD enhancer was worth $250, I used to complain when they were $179

they are worth every penny at $50 though. ( in my opinion of course)

 

[hangtime]

I thought you said above you have done this ?? :thumbsdown:
Maybe a big motor builder has a better idea .

I'm not gonna just discount what greg said unless someone does a timing test .

I did not call to buy an ignition but was told from another person that they are stock also and asked a second opinion from someone that I thought would know a bit more than me .

I do.

according to the chart, at 1500 rpms, there should be a 5 degree difference in the MSD enhancer as compared to the stock CDI.

How to hold the engine at exactly 1500 rpms?

I guess I have to cut up a flywheel cover too huh?

and tear into my running ski, and swap CDIs..

sounds like a day long project, have Greg do it.

 

[hangtime]

it would seem like it in this case. jsut the fact that it is hotter spark disproves it as being " just a stock cdi"

he never said that he said the timing was the same

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

ask him to see the results of his, since he MUST have done one?

otherwise, oh my god... he might be spewing forth second hand information!

I'm not gonna just discount what greg said unless someone does a timing test .

 

[hangtime]

I do agree that they are not worth the money .$50 maybe .

I wish I still had my stock cdi because I would do the test .

 

[Idok]

I do.

according to the chart, at 1500 rpms, there should be a 5 degree difference in the MSD enhancer as compared to the stock CDI.

How to hold the engine at exactly 1500 rpms?

I guess I have to cut up a flywheel cover too huh?

and tear into my running ski, and swap CDIs..

sounds like a day long project, have Greg do it.

cutting up a fly cover is actually a GREAT idea...we have one here ini st aug...

works good for spark checking when you install a new stator, or..to check timing...that is something though that I have never done on a ski..

 

[ski4]

he never said that he said the timing was the same

ok again
it's not a stock cdi if the spark is hotter , or the timing curve is not stock