Msd Enhancers Are Same As Stock ????

[Freakrider]

two engine builders (one Chucky) told me that lately it seems some msd enh's do not advance the curve much at all and if u get lucky some do. Both said this is verified info w/ a timing light...So I did not buy one....one day maybe TL...big range of advent stories out there ref reliability.....my friend's TL screams !

 

[hangtime]

ok again
it's not a stock cdi if the spark is hotter , or the timing curve is not stock

What part don't you understand ?? He said the timing was the same as stock .He didn't say anything about the hotter spark or the rev limiter ,just that the ignition timing was the same as stock and I have to know now if I have to cut up a flywheel and do the test myself .

lake's telling me not to believe everything I hear but wouldn't just blindly believing MSD be the same thing .:stups:

 

[butti]

Ok Ok lake ,calm down dude .I'm trying to figure this out and it appears most people are saying Greg is full of shiat and saying that the MSD's are no good just to sell his higher priced ignitions .

http://www.msdpowersports.com/pwc_yamaha650-701.html




fwiw there are lots of threads on the msd tech forum about dead units brand out the box

 

[ski4]

What part don't you understand ?? He said the timing was the same as stock .He didn't say anything about the hotter spark or the rev limiter ,just that the ignition timing was the same as stock and I have to know now if I have to cut up a flywheel and do the test myself .

lake's telling me not to believe everything I hear but wouldn't just blindly believing MSD be the same thing .:stups:

re read your statement
what you first typed to me meant the opposite of what you just said
i took you to mean he said the timing was not different

and the two different skis i have put these on ran very very differnt than stock

i take that as indirect proof of a change, other than hot spark
on a kawi 750 and my superjet

of course the argument can be made that both cdi's were foul prior to swapping them out but i doubt it

 

[hangtime]

I just re read it and it says and I quote (he said the MSD enhancers have the same "timing "as stock )

re read your statement
what you first typed to me meant the opposite of what you just said
i took you to mean he said the timing was not different

and the two different skis i have put these on ran very very differnt than stock

i take that as indirect proof of a change, other than hot spark
on a kawi 750 and my superjet

of course the argument can be made that both cdi's were foul prior to swapping them out but i doubt it

 

[hangtime]

Honestly ,the only truely reliable ignitions are stock .Vilders,Advents and MSD all have numerous complaints about reliability .

http://www.msdpowersports.com/pwc_yamaha650-701.html




fwiw there are lots of threads on the msd tech forum about dead units brand out the box

 

[ski4]

he never said that he said the timing was the same

here is the direct quote
which to me would mean it's different

maybe i need more coffee?? dunno

 

[CaMo_FroG]

I swapped my stock cdi with an MSD enhancer... and i can tell you ... BIG difference... fires first time everytime.... more power... easier starts... by the way its a good bit larger then the stock cdi (still fits in the same spot) ...

" they are designed to deliver a much more powerful spark, as much as four times more spark energy, to ensure complete combustion of the fuel mixture. This complete combustion results in improved performance including quick throttle response, improved pulling power and top end, plus will reduce spark plug fouling. "

 

[crammit442]

Greg at Advent told me the MSD enhancers are the same timing as stock .That would mean the only benefit is a hotter spark which is a crock of shiat .So $250 for hotter spark which means nothing on a finely tuned motor .WTF

Why didn't someone say this before so many of us wasted our money .:banghead:

Means nothing???:lmao::lmao:Multiple, HOTTER sparks makes a HUGE difference!

he never said that he said the timing was the same

What part don't you understand ?? He said the timing was the same as stock .He didn't say anything about the hotter spark or the rev limiter ,just that the ignition timing was the same as stock and I have to know now if I have to cut up a flywheel and do the test myself .

lake's telling me not to believe everything I hear but wouldn't just blindly believing MSD be the same thing .:stups:

What exactly are you saying? These two posts are exactly opposite. Which did he say? Timing is the same or not the same?

 

[crammit442]

Honestly ,the only truely reliable ignitions are stock .Vilders,Advents and MSD all have numerous complaints about reliability .

There are posts here almost every day with people who have malfunctioning OE ignitions. MSD TL is super reliable if you set it up well. Even in the surf. It's also easier to get at and troubleshoot when there is a problem. Parts do ocassionally go bad, but not as often as people think. It's usually operator error.

 

[SXIPro]

here is the direct quote
which to me would mean it's different

maybe i need more coffee?? dunno

Originally Posted by hangtime
he never said that he said the timing was the same


For the lack of a period, the kingdom was lost.

I believe Art(hangtime) meant : He never said that. He said the timing was the same.

Not: He never said that he said the timing was the same.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Originally Posted by hangtime
he never said that he said the timing was the same


For the lack of a period, the kingdom was lost.

I believe Art(hangtime) meant : He never said that. He said the timing was the same.

Not: He never said that he said the timing was the same.

That makes sense.

 

[ski4]

:beerchug:

prolly

 

[tipafew]

I didn't want to go TL on my "baby" scream motor. Chuck told me at the very least to get an enhancer.
One thing I know from now on.....I will always check my static timing with a light. Either my MSD or more likely my Jetinetic flywheel was WAY off!

 

[Gainera2582]

My ski starts easier everytime with the msd enhancer, plus I got a little pickup in low to midrange department.

It was money well spent imo!!!!

 

[hangtime]

Originally Posted by hangtime
he never said that he said the timing was the same


For the lack of a period, the kingdom was lost.

I believe Art(hangtime) meant : He never said that. He said the timing was the same.

Not: He never said that he said the timing was the same.

Thanks ,I was starting to have doubts on what I actually said but yes there should have been a comma there .

The bottom line is Greg said the timing is no different .
All we have are opinions from seat of your pants feel .


charles ,please explain how more than one spark can help since after the first spark all the fuel /air mixture is gone and burnt already or is it not

 

[ski4]

well at least i don't need more coffee then
ill start to shake:scared:

 

[WFO Speedracer]

There are posts here almost every day with people who have malfunctioning OE ignitions. MSD TL is super reliable if you set it up well. Even in the surf. It's also easier to get at and troubleshoot when there is a problem. Parts do ocassionally go bad, but not as often as people think. It's usually operator error.

Holy crapola Crammit who would have ever thought that MSD stood for multiple spark discharge,I mean really who knew,apparently none of these guys lol.:djsmilie:

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Hangtime heres an idea go to the MSD website and read all about it,its really not anything new its been around for a while now.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Thanks ,I was starting to have doubts on what I actually said but yes there should have been a comma there .

The bottom line is Greg said the timing is no different .
All we have are opinions from seat of your pants feel .


charles ,please explain how more than one spark can help since after the first spark all the fuel /air mixture is gone and burnt already or is it not

The hotter the spark, the better chance of igniting all of the fuel/air charge. That is a nutshell discription. Also, if it is sparking multiple times vs one time, then it is the same, better chance of all of the charge burning.