Seems like you could whittle a 760 flywheel down to pretty much a disk holding the ring gear. Now run the trigger on the ring gear teath with a second one tooth sync. That could even be done with an aluminum flywheel. Very high tooth count and very fine teeth could be a problem.
Need your input on new ignition "brain" design
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Ya had some issues with second revision. 3rd revision is on its way with solid state latching circuit and other improvements. I did water test Rev 1 on my 1200 and it ran great!
Sweet!
I'm wondering if there is any chance of sharing the schematic and board view files? I'm no PCB expert, but I've built a number of things and would love to help, if I have any time
Also, for those of us who would like a new CDI but aren't as worried about using the toothed wheel for its accuracy, can it be hooked up to the stock system and function? Maybe this could be an option in the final product?
I'm wondering if there is any chance of sharing the schematic and board view files? I'm no PCB expert, but I've built a number of things and would love to help, if I have any time
Also, for those of us who would like a new CDI but aren't as worried about using the toothed wheel for its accuracy, can it be hooked up to the stock system and function? Maybe this could be an option in the final product?
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I'd kinda like to have a fully functional setup before sharing the schematic and board layout but I do plan to open source it at that point. I think it would be possible to use the factory pickup on a 760 for sure. It would likely need to be wasted spark unless the 3rd lump can be used to identify the current crank position (kinda tricky). 62T style would need some more components (and I maybe not have the EE skill to design that circuit, idk).Sweet!
I'm wondering if there is any chance of sharing the schematic and board view files? I'm no PCB expert, but I've built a number of things and would love to help, if I have any time
Also, for those of us who would like a new CDI but aren't as worried about using the toothed wheel for its accuracy, can it be hooked up to the stock system and function? Maybe this could be an option in the final product?
So if it will need a tooth wheel and so on, then you just making an other product that already exist, like and MaxxEcu, Vems, or if you want it open source you got Megasquirt and just run it ign only.
Would love to see like a ATP flame but better type of ignition.
Would love to see like a ATP flame but better type of ignition.
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I'm sensing some negativity here. Maybe I'm reading into it. I appreciate the input. However, this will be considerably cheaper than any of those options you listed. You are correct, functionally its no different than any other commonly available aftermarket ECU. If you want to run something else, please do. I'm just over here experimenting with options and this will be a very low cost, very high performance option that is leaps and bounds better than the MSD crap everyone runs.
I'm not sure what exactly Jordan is going to come up with as a final version of this, but I figured I'd point out that simplicity is a feature, and a very valuable one. If he has the legwork done, use these coils, use this trigger wheel and trigger, here's your little black box, use this software to program it, with these parameters, that gets you a hell of a lot of simplicity not available with the other ecu's mentioned and adds huge value. If this system has that value added AND costs less...it's a huge bargain.
It's one of the reasons I love Zeeltronic, but if this thing works out it could be even better.
It's one of the reasons I love Zeeltronic, but if this thing works out it could be even better.
As a consumer group, we are not very sophisticated. Ideally a box that plugs in and works is what almost all your customers want. Im thinking a unit with separate boards for the high voltage side and low voltage control. Then work at making it super reliable. Right now the Zeel seems to be checking most if not all of the boxes but cheaper and serviceable would be better.
Yeah, no negativity at all, just my pov on this thing,
Plug n play
Ultra light parts, as little as possible rotating mass and user friendly
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Yes all logic level on the board. The use of smart coils moves the drivers to the body of the coils. If i do a CDI version, i will develop external CDI drivers.
Just to reiterate my goals - I'm not really trying to make the easiest to use, most plug an play ignition. This is for advanced users who want to do data logging, want ultra high precision timing and want to monitor or control external inputs/outputs. If people want plug and play, zeel is by far the best way to go.
I get it. Sharing incomplete projects can be uncomfortable/risky. I do have some experience designing similar things and was hoping to throw my two cents in, and maybe help design the board if you'd be open to the help.
I love the idea of the Zeel, but also building my own. I'm running a measly little 650, but if I could throw this on there and play with the ignition timing, I'd be so happy
I don't really want to pay for a Zeel just yet. Too many other things I'd rather do first, I gotta pace myself on the upgrades/fixes.
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I love the idea of data logging, programmable water injection and timing with precision accuracy. I don't mind it not being exactly plug n play, my only concern would be the non charging aspect. I'm not a freestyle rider but more of a surf/boat chase. I'd be totally into it if it worked with the 760 electronics which I already have, but also working with charging. I think the best performance out of the zeel comes with having a charging system with a constant 13+ volts will deliver hotter spark. Especially on the larger cc engines like you're testing with.
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You could absolutely run charging if you want. Just keep a flywheel with magnets and the charging components. Will I guess you’d have to run a 62t flywheel since the 760 components would be In the way of the trigger wheel. They don’t tie into the ignition at all. With the smart coil setup you can tune the dwell settings based on battery voltage so you get a consistent Spark. I don’t think battery voltage is going to change much with spark energy and it almost definitely has little impact in the zeel/msd cdi configuration.
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Update: my latest board revision is not working as expected. Power supply is much more stable but the latching circuit is not working. I’m going to replace some components and test a few things. Hopefully I can get it worked out.
You can get a Zeel with 2 programmable solenoid output to use for water injection such as the 24 we run on Seadoo
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27 years ago I was programming RC car curves. It was off the shelf tech..... This is long overdue boys.
Keep up the good work.
27 years ago I was programming RC car curves. It was off the shelf tech..... This is long overdue boys.
Keep up the good work.