New 2017 Kawasaki 4 stroke sx-r!

[chixwithtrix]

I bow down to all of y'all's superiority. My point was lost and not worth defending at this point haha. My apologies.

 

[bird]

I don't agree with the safety point at all. Imagine putting a newbie on a 450f race bike, any giant 4wheeler (not necessarily sport quad), any snowmobile, or how about a 1000cc rocket on the highway. I would imagine the risk there would be 10-fold.

Kawasaki is not liable for injuries. Same way gun manufacturers are NOT liable for injuries.

Any hull with any engine setup is a hell of a lot safer than any of the toys I just mentioned. This particular hull is huge because required skill level will be minimal and it will cut through chop like you said.

they did mention they had to meet USCG requirements of buoyancy.

 

[mbrick]

It's not clear if that is a different requirement than previously subject to, or just meeting the same requirement but with +200lbs of engine ?

It's generic enough that it could just mean "we had to make the big engine float".

 

[37]

One could speculate it's a combination of having to make the engine float plus the likelihood of the bottom hull becoming a small runabout/sport class boat in the future. The nose is longer than necessary for buoyancy alone.

Rumors of a new X-2 might hold some water.

 

[INDebtSJ]

Its not going to cost 15K somewhere under 10.5K

Well at 10 k , buy one for everyone in the family!
Buy an extra for a buddy ski.

Not giving you a hard time, it's still pretty expensive for what it is, at least to me.

 

[Half flip95]

Well at 10 k , buy one for everyone in the family!
Buy an extra for a buddy ski.

Not giving you a hard time, it's still pretty expensive for what it is, at least to me.

With that kind of rationale it's no wonder you're indebt!

I don't think it's all that dangerous to rec ride it. I think it's ridiculously dangerous to race it against existing stand ups.

 

[mbrick]

I bet Kawasaki is looking for one of these stickers for that flotation exemption:

 

[37]

That's because the Superjet is sold as an off-road vehicle "for competition use only" to dodge the two-stroke ban, and therefore exempt from most regulations. Price has increased exponentially as a result.

Kawasaki is intending to sell the SXR as a legal recreational vehicle. They can't dodge the flotation requirement.

Sorry

 

[mbrick]

That sticker is from my 2000. I don't think it was sold "for competition use". It is a standard recreational vehicle.

But I am happy Yamaha made it work to dodge the EPA and still continue selling even in 2017.

Trying to look up the exemption to read the details and date range but no luck so far.

I'm sure Kawi still needed an exemption for some items, hmm. Anyway, not buying the coast guard requiring more flotation just yet.

 

[Brendan Wells]

Yes exactly. More people on stand up skis is not necessarily a good thing. The old skis being hard to control helped weed out the undetermined riders from getting on a race course.

Don't agree here. 160hp and 63mph on any stand up is not for the faint of heart. Besides you make it sound like stand ups are super dangerous to everyone around them. Have you ridden with a bunch of noob sit down riders? What about riding around on the weekends with a bunch of intoxicated speed boat drivers? Sheesh. No comparison whatsoever.

 

[Brendan Wells]

I don't know about y'all but I'm having pizza, burgers, and ice cream for dinner cuz I can be a 400lb hacker and still ride this thing.

Vortex what is ur point? You want something difficult to ride for everyone? Stick with ur 550. 1000cc crotch rockets are insanely easy to ride but try going fast on them. It's a different game.

 

[Brendan Wells]

Kudos to Kawasaki for breathing new life into the stand up market. It's been a long time coming. That being said, this thing is the last ski I want to see at my local riding area. Personally I will just place it in the couch category (requires zero skill, possible kook, stay clear until they go away) becauseq there is no way to look at the ski and rider and determine if they are dangerous or not. With a 550, superjet, or almost any other stand up, you can tell almost immediately if someone is dangerous to you and others just by watching the way they ride. Unfortunately (just like the couches), this thing is going to bring in a whole new group of people that don't know WTF they're doing!

What r u talking about? You've never seen an amateur on a new SXR and ur already whining about not being able to tell an amateur from an experienced rider. As if everyone riding new SXRs will appear to have a skill level similar to kanamoris and there will be hundreds, if not thousands, of the posers. Everyone will want 160hp and 63mph standing up and why wouldn't they? The crazy bastards will ruin everything and, worst of all, none of them will know a damn thing about what they're doin. What hole do you live in?

 

[37]

That sticker is from my 2000. I don't think it was sold "for competition use". It is a standard recreational vehicle.

In 2000, sure, but not today. Your decal could have been a CA requirement as well. Cali is a whole other can of worms. All Superjets sold in the US today require a competition license and are sold "for competition use only" per a nice little decal affixed to the hood. Sure, you can register them with your State, but this is how Yamaha gets around all the EPA crap. I just bought a 2016 new this year and have jumped through all the hoops myself. I also bought a 1997 new in '97. Things have certainly changed since then.

 

[Brendan Wells]

Don't agree here. 160hp and 63mph on any stand up is not for the faint of heart. Besides you make it sound like stand ups are super dangerous to everyone around them. Have you ridden with a bunch of noob sit down riders? What about riding around on the weekends with a bunch of intoxicated speed boat drivers? Sheesh. No comparison whatsoever.

 

[Eliminator55]

In 2000, sure, but not today. Your decal could have been a CA requirement as well. Cali is a whole other can of worms. All Superjets sold in the US today require a competition license and are sold "for competition use only" per a nice little decal affixed to the hood. Sure, you can register them with your State, but this is how Yamaha gets around all the EPA crap. I just bought a 2016 new this year and have jumped through all the hoops myself. I also bought a 1997 new in '97. Things have certainly changed since then.

My local dealer wanted to make me jump through all the hoops you mention. But a dealer out of state which also had a better price mentioned none of these requirements. From what I've read online the supposed requirement of obtaining an IJSBA license prior to purchase is highly inconsistent from one dealer to another. Would you disagree? My local dealer did act as though getting the license was merely a twenty-minute online process.

Also, Yamaha's most recently posted online manual for the SuperJet, which is 2016, doesn't list or depict the sticker referring to "competition use only." Not saying the sticker isn't there. Apparently their manual just isn't updated to show as such.

 

[37]

Yamaha requires dealers to record competition license info with all new SJs sold. The license can be IJSBA, Pro Watercross, APBA, etc. Some dealers got in trouble for falsifying the info after (supposedly) Kawasaki requested an audit of Yamaha's records to prove these boats were truly being sold to racers and not for rec use. Of course, very few SJ buyers are racers but this is now the rule that's supposed to be followed so Yamaha can continue selling the SJ with a two-stroke. The skis now have decals on both the hood and exhaust pipe stating they're for competition use only and EPA exempt for off-road use.

The competition decal for the hood is part number F2F-6413S-00-00 and number 6BA-6413S-00-00 for the exhaust.

 

[Eliminator55]

Yamaha requires dealers to record competition license info with all new SJs sold. The license can be IJSBA, Pro Watercross, APBA, etc. Some dealers got in trouble for falsifying the info after (supposedly) Kawasaki requested an audit of Yamaha's records to prove these boats were truly being sold to racers and not for rec use. Of course, very few SJ buyers are racers but this is now the rule that's supposed to be followed so Yamaha can continue selling the SJ with a two-stroke. The skis now have decals on both the hood and exhaust pipe stating they're for competition use only and EPA exempt for off-road use.

The competition decal for the hood is part number F2F-6413S-00-00 and number 6BA-6413S-00-00 for the exhaust.

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Thanks for info. They need to update their manual. There were absolutely no differences between the 2008 and the 2016 version. Although the sticker indicating its intended usage for competition may be the only thing meriting an update. Which of the sanctioning bodies is the easiest, and perhaps the cheapest, to get a license from? I guess I'd be more concerned about convenience than price though.

I'm new to the sport and the SuperJet. The manual lists the oil-to-gas ratio at 25:1 for the first two tanks of fuel, so as to break the motor in. Are you supposed to fill the entire tank, including its reserve capacity, while also exhausting the reserve capacity for each of the two break-in fills? On the third fill it says to presume the standard 50:1 ratio.

 

[mbrick]

Thanks for info. They need to update their manual. There were absolutely no differences between the 2008 and the 2016 version. Although the sticker indicating its intended usage for competition may be the only thing meriting an update. Which of the sanctioning bodies is the easiest, and perhaps the cheapest, to get a license from? I guess I'd be more concerned about convenience than price though.

I'm new to the sport and the SuperJet. The manual lists the oil-to-gas ratio at 25:1 for the first two tanks of fuel, so as to break the motor in. Are you supposed to fill the entire tank, including its reserve capacity, while also exhausting the reserve capacity for each of the two break-in fills? On the third fill it says to presume the standard 50:1 ratio.

IJSBA is probably the easiest at $45 per year, but you would only need 1 year to buy it.

You can run approximately two tanks, so if that is 4x half tanks, or however you calculate it out, it will be ok. And then yes I would suggest trying to run it fairly empty before switching to a regular ratio, doesn't have to be exact though. I would suggest closer to 40:1 than 50:1, if it's jetted accordingly more oil is better -- but this is a personal preference.

Congrats on buying a new ski!

 

[mbrick]

Yamaha requires dealers to record competition license info with all new SJs sold. The license can be IJSBA, Pro Watercross, APBA, etc.

Some dealers got in trouble for falsifying the info after (supposedly) Kawasaki requested an audit of Yamaha's records to prove these boats were truly being sold to racers and not for rec use.

I would like to know why Kawasaki was requesting that. Were they trying to do marketing research, get their own competition exemption, or get Yamaha into trouble? I hope it was anything but the last option.

Just curious, what does the EPA sticker on the ebox say on a 2008 and a 2016?

 

[MADMAT]

I would bet Kawi did it because they were told (asked) to do so....

The U.S. don't play! They probably requested the audit in order to fine them big $$$$ if they were not complying.

Kawi can't absorb fines like Toyota has!