Custom/Hybrid Poizen's Tiger craft Aqua-bot

[jo5hi3]

just to clarify the quality of the hull is great......but i am the type of guy expects great customer service along with the product....that was not the case.....i love the way the hull rides and i have said that many times...i wont give it up...but the time frame and items i didn't receive took away from all the good.....i know in any industry people do not talk about the good...but they tell everyone about the bad.....the fit, finish and quality of the product i received were great....the customer service, and promises were not.....

 

[ridetrp]

I have tons of detailed pictures of poizens ski build on my old phone . tomorrow I will try to go to verizon and obtain them to settle this problem. I can assure you.two washers were added to the top.of that pump shoe.only way it fits. Period. These are all problems ive addressed on the new ski. I thought id get somewhat of a thanks for holding all your parts and allowing them to get sent to me.

Crating was another issue.was that a suprise? Did you think that was included in your 2764.00 dollar hull price?

As far as 3 to 4 weeks thats bogus. Infact the first page of this thread it says 5 weeks.thats not.true either.not to mention we bounced gel colors back and forth for almost a week before you settled on a color then harrassed me.i never once said it would take 3 to 4 weeks. Ive really learned to put a muffler on my mouth.ive outgrown the cool cat internet scene. But I realize the problems brought to my attention and ill do my best to help.you fix whatever is wrong. All in all im doing this full time now . totally different outlook and approach on things I know have the time to focus with a clear mind and people will see that this season. I have gathered a team together for this year so I expect great things.

An email address was listed in the previous post.if you have a question.comment or concern try there for a response with any issues you may have.

Im not hiding.like most of the people on the internet. Be sure to stop by the tent in Daytona for a test ride or a cold one

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[Poizen]

I cant believe you are being serious right now Tony

the hull cost 2800$ because i didnt go for adj foot holds or decals or turf so dont make it thats its such a special price add all those extras and you will see its full retail

you told me a standard hull takes 5weeks to build but because im not getting turf , decals, adj foot holds that should knock 2 weeks off the time hence why i said 3-4 weeks in my main post i said 5 weeks as i gave you a little time as i knew from here hull builders are never on time.


please post the detailed pictures because ive never seen them and i always asked for pictures and all you had is what you sent so im keen to see these pictures

i have email and sms proof i have no reason to lie

lets forget the washers that are ment to be there ok and focus on the pump shoe that is glued in i cannot move that so how is it that alignment is still out

lets get real here Tony we both know that is how the hull left the shop for a couple reasons

1) I opened my create and took pictures
2) why would i mess up my own ski how does that benefit me when all i want to do is ride
3) adzuk hull had to have the pump shoe to be knocked out for the exact same reason

im not asking for anything from you and im not going to benefit in any way all i want is you to acknowledge your mistakes and stop trying to make me a liar

I believe in honesty and you calling me a Liar really upsets me as now you attacking my integrity.

there is no point emailing you because whats done is done you not going to admit it or fix the problem

in the end i can only build it and then speak my honesty about it

i hope these guys on here can see thru you.

 

[Poizen]

have a listen and you tell me if this hull has foam in it or not you DECIDE

 

[Poizen]

Well I have been installing small things till I can make a new spacer for my pump to seal on the pump

Here is some pictures

 

[KTM434]

Why are you running a small cart tank? Is it for flatwater use? Just curious since I was under the impression these hulls would fit a stock SJ tank. Plus I figured if you wanted foam it may be a surf ski? Also did you get that hood ratchet setup from Tony or design it yourself? Looks like a great setup for that hood design and 1 strap makes your pole pad easy to install on the hood. I like the splatter paint and battery box too. Have you weighed your billet ebox compared to a stock one?

 

[Poizen]

Stock tank fits but you need a expensive internal fill so was cheaper to buy a cart tank

Its for flatwater and surf

Foam was for insurance more than anything

That strap is from Freeride innovations in the UK

I haven't finished the ebox yet

Yes splatter paint is nice really happy how that turned out

 

[Sanoman]

Geez man! l see some of the problems you are having. And all of us that have been buying a/m hull have come to accept certain "issues" (that is such a ed up word to begin with,call it what they areroblems) that we as an owner have to end up dealing with.All l can tell you is what some others have said,deal with it.My rocket had some problems that l ended up dealing with too.Trim tube not in the right place.A scupper that could have been designed better,and inserts that were not made to last.But it turned out to be a great hull and l never looked back.

Good luck in getting your ski fixed and on the water!

 

[Poizen]

Geez man! l see some of the problems you are having. And all of us that have been buying a/m hull have come to accept certain "issues" (that is such a ed up word to begin with,call it what they areroblems) that we as an owner have to end up dealing with.All l can tell you is what some others have said,deal with it.My rocket had some problems that l ended up dealing with too.Trim tube not in the right place.A scupper that could have been designed better,and inserts that were not made to last.But it turned out to be a great hull and l never looked back.

Good luck in getting your ski fixed and on the water!

I am dealing with it and again i have no problem i was expecting some problems

but when i get called a liar then that when things become personal

all i want it tony to admit his mistakes instead of saying I sabotaged my own ski to mess with him

all i really want to do is ride as i got dec to ride before i got to the UK

 

[WILKEY]

Its a ed up world when you buy a new hull and expect problems......

 

[KTM434]

Well said Sanoman. All AM hulls have some type of problems you'll find upon inspection or assembly. Best thing to do is stay positive, get the ski built in a reasonable amount of time and get it in the water since that will be the impression that matters the most... The RIDE report. There may have been some imperfections but building hulls on your spare time isn't an easy task. I think it's funny how selective the haters are (not referring to you Poizen since this is YOUR build thread) I can think of MUCH worse issues with MANY different hull builders but as mentioned previously those issues don't always surface. You can say that it's to protect the builder blah blah blah that's retarded. Unless you are best friends with the builder or the builder went above and beyond to make things right then why would you care about them? Fact of the matter is people keep quiet to protect their own investment. Who wants to buy someone else's headache when they are under the impression every other hull from the same builder has no flaws. AM hulls have come a long way but what really matters is how they ride. Who wants to bolt all your parts in easily and find out it rides like crap? To me that would be money wasted. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying its ok for AM hulls to have flaws but Tony has taken the necessary steps to improve his product, build times, fit and finish etc by going full time. I don't think you can really expect someone to quit their full time job once they have a plug to make some hulls without getting their name out there and some time to advertise their product. Thats why the first hulls are cheap but may take extra time and have a few more issues than expected. I think if given the option of paying $5000 for a flawless hull or $2800 for one that needs attention on the pump shoe and has some small cracks in the gel Id say most people would go for the $2800 hull since they will ride the same once put in the water. It may seem like Tony got off to a bad start to some of you haters but I haven't heard a single bad thing about how this hull rides other than one guy saying "are you going to put a splash deflector on the nose? It splashes a lot" with no other details on the ride. This hull is available with or without a front bondrail as far as I know and that hull did NOT have a front bondrail. I think what really matters is how Tony runs his business from this point forward and how he deals with any issues that arise. Wanderer1 I think it's amazing the quality you speak of with the hulls you've bought from WDK but the issue with that company is the seller. When you pay for it you might get a good product or you might not receive anything at all. That's not a risk I would take but Jeff obviously is still in business so he obviously treats some people right.
That is my non bias way of viewing the situation. The X is good for reading drama threads but nobody ever seems to look at things logically. They see one guy posting his findings on his build thread or a "thread of awesomeness" and look out, let the bashing begin! Suddenly it becomes a pissing match of who can do the best bashing and everyone "thanks" everyone's comments for being such a good bash.

 

[swapmeet]

poizen, you sound a lot like I did once upon a time. Livid about time-lines that slipped and commitments missed, and a little miffed over what we all unfortunately agree are somewhat acceptable / normal problems in this market statement.

I agree, how a person/ company addresses the problem is the true measure of customer service. I think the response was professional, and had some explanation, but unfortunately it also contained some serious undertones of 'its not my fault'. If. I was Tony I'd just agree with you and send your parts. He gains nothing by arguing with you other than looking combative.

Sucks it didn't go as smoothly as you hoped, but you'll be on the water soon and as mentioned, these seem to have a good reputation for rideability/ performance. I haven't been on one, but if its as good as they say you'll chalk all this up to a learning experience and enjoy your purchase. Being on the water seems to dilute a lot of the hard feelings.

FWIW, I paid $150 for my crate on top of my purchase price. I was impressed with it the crate though.


Ok, sorry, just now getting caught up on this and wanted to chime in. Looks good! I honestly hope the remainder of the build goes smooth as glass.

 

[Harbor]

Hey Poizen, can you make a plate to back up your poll bracket, spread the load on glass in the poll bracket area? Maybe one for the front tow loop as we'll? Looks good so far

 

[623pwr]

I hope things get better and your happy with the ride, in the end. I'm sure there will be a learning curve with the new hull. The build is looking good so far!

 

[Turbosauce74]

For $2800 bucks you cant expect perfection or the best, that's blasphemy. Is it complete poppycock that your pump shoe doesn't even line up...yes, that's not a minor mistake. The no foam is balderdash too, if it is foamed then its not right to the top of the tray which means he did it completely wrong. It looks like you put a lot of time and thought into your build with colors and how meticulous you are with your parts so it is malarkey to have a hull that isn't even build worthy and you should be pissed, i would be. I paid over $8000 for my hull, fit and finish was perfect not even a single motor shim, so i guess it just shows companies price there hull on the "you pay for what you get" bologna business sense. In all reality a hull builder shouldn't use the first few hulls they sell as R&D units, that is hogwash. Tony should have built a few hulls and got all the kinks out on his own instead of selling inferior products, shred your test hulls or throw them in the backyard like all other reputable hull builders do.

 

[McDog]

I'm gonna have to call you wrong on that sauce. I'm sure you are referring to the Ski Clinic as pros who do/did it right. My 1st gen bob had a similar issue with pump shoe. So all companies have growing pains. Im not slamming them for it. They made it right and took awesome care of me to where I would wholeheartedly recommend them for anything. But nobody is perfect, especially when starting out.

 

[Turbosauce74]

I'm gonna have to call you wrong on that sauce. I'm sure you are referring to the Ski Clinic as pros who do/did it right. My 1st gen bob had a similar issue with pump shoe. So all companies have growing pains. Im not slamming them for it. They made it right and took awesome care of me to where I would wholeheartedly recommend them for anything. But nobody is perfect, especially when starting out.

Correct. I guess it just goes to show dont buy the first of everything, those bob gen 1's were dirt cheap back then too, and the first budget hull. But with the way this industry is going, it seems anyone with a grinder and an autozone fiberglass kit is trying to build hulls, and the market is flooded with am hull companies doing a half arsed job now and i guess its become unacceptable in my eyes.

 

[Poizen]

whats done is done like i say all i wanted was a sorry yes we made a mistake im sorry not to be called a liar and told that i messed up my own pump shoe. ( is that too much to ask for????)

i seriously have no beef with the chipped gel around the holes as i know whats it like working with glass and gel stuff happens etc

but pump shoe is the most important thing to get right as without it we all know the ski is useless after all they are glued in so its not a quick easy fix

double triple quadruple check everything

and the statements oh you paid 2800$ well what do you expect that should not be the case at all and that how hull builders get away with this stuff

no matter if the hull costs 2800 or 28000 quality control should be done the same way there should be set standards like iso etc

2800 might be cheap to most but to me it was a huge investment im in this hull 6000$ after shipping customs and all the other crap the hull is only a small part to my big puzzle

in my workshop no matter what the job is how much it costs or what it entails at the end that job leaves my door with my name on it and i make sure to protect my name

the same should go here

its a start up company you are setting your foundation and its already starting to crack honestly there was 5 orders from south africa until they saw my hull and the customer service i went thru

at the end of the day ive been burnt and i know now.. and im sure many others are watching closely too

be this a lesson every hull that leaves your shop should be 100times better than your best expectations

now back to my build


guys i want to drill 2x rear bow eyes but on the aquabot it seams i will be drilling right into my tray cavity has anyone drilled a bow eye please advise

 

[849tigerbotkv1]

whats done is done like i say all i wanted was a sorry yes we made a mistake im sorry not to be called a liar and told that i messed up my own pump shoe. ( is that too much to ask for????)

i seriously have no beef with the chipped gel around the holes as i know whats it like working with glass and gel stuff happens etc

but pump shoe is the most important thing to get right as without it we all know the ski is useless after all they are glued in so its not a quick easy fix

double triple quadruple check everything

and the statements oh you paid 2800$ well what do you expect that should not be the case at all and that how hull builders get away with this stuff

no matter if the hull costs 2800 or 28000 quality control should be done the same way there should be set standards like iso etc

2800 might be cheap to most but to me it was a huge investment im in this hull 6000$ after shipping customs and all the other crap the hull is only a small part to my big puzzle

in my workshop no matter what the job is how much it costs or what it entails at the end that job leaves my door with my name on it and i make sure to protect my name

the same should go here

its a start up company you are setting your foundation and its already starting to crack honestly there was 5 orders from south africa until they saw my hull and the customer service i went thru

at the end of the day ive been burnt and i know now.. and im sure many others are watching closely too

be this a lesson every hull that leaves your shop should be 100times better than your best expectations

now back to my build


guys i want to drill 2x rear bow eyes but on the aquabot it seams i will be drilling right into my tray cavity has anyone drilled a bow eye please advise

Well said man


Now get her done

 

[Poizen]

pretty much all done

trying to source breather tubes locally as I know i wont be getting them

most will be done this week


i have to make a new trim system tho which sucks the bot sits very close to the top of the pump where my super had all the space in the world so im going to make its similar to the side pull units

but love me some fab work