SB Billet / DASA Lamey v.s. WDK 1200 / GP Conversion

[GIL]

I know everyone is thinking it so I will say it. Most of us have become use to instant gratification. We finally decide to spend the big money and who we are going to spend it with, and we want it now. I feel that one of the people mentioned in this thread is a very innovative guy but just cant deliver product in a timely manner. I for one have spent alot of money with the above mentioned builder and feel that for the price I paid my only option was to be patient and wait for the product to arrive.

Bottom line is if I were to blow 10,000.00 on a turn key engine package(and by the time you add fuel, ignition, and exhaust, it is 10K or more), I want it NOW. I feel that you would get faster service from Lamey/Brian and have 'no worry' support. I like jeff, but support would be a concern due to the fact that it's hard to get him on the phone because he has sooo much going on and all the time coming up w/new stuff. I DO think Jeff could be one of the best if he would simply slow his brain down and take care of current business instead of constantly looking to the future.
ie-if he could be innovative Jeff 6 months a year and be business man Jeff the other 6 months all would be good.

 

[Roo]

I know everyone is thinking it so I will say it. Most of us have become use to instant gratification. We finally decide to spend the big money and who we are going to spend it with, and we want it now. I feel that one of the people mentioned in this thread is a very innovative guy but just cant deliver product in a timely manner. I for one have spent alot of money with the above mentioned builder and feel that for the price I paid my only option was to be patient and wait for the product to arrive.

Bottom line is if I were to blow 10,000.00 on a turn key engine package(and by the time you add fuel, ignition, and exhaust, it is 10K or more), I want it NOW. I feel that you would get faster service from Lamey/Brian and have 'no worry' support. I like jeff, but support would be a concern due to the fact that it's hard to get him on the phone because he has sooo much going on and all the time coming up w/new stuff. I DO think Jeff could be one of the best if he would simply slow his brain down and take care of current business instead of constantly looking to the future.
ie-if he could be innovative Jeff 6 months a year and be business man Jeff the other 6 months all would be good.

I agree with everything above, and I speak with experience. I already played the game with WDK - I lost.

I hope in the near future to give Lamey/Dasa a try.

-Andrew

 

[restosud]

mybe he could really think ahead and duplicate himself.his cnc's could cut one out with ease.
i'm close to the point of giving up on waiting,sell all his stuff and move on.
still really nice stuff though.

 

[SUPERJET-113]

The GPR800 was also originally designed to be straight up, that year Seadoo came out with their new motor and it was slanted, so Yamaha slanted theirs too.

Problem is it never ran smooth because the motor wasn't designed to run slanted and it didn't "know" which way to vibrate, hense it didn't run very smooth.

I knew about Lamey having a part in designing the YAM 800, but always wondered about this because the engine design didnt need to be slanted. It wasnt like the Seadoo 787 where the intake/exhaust are on one side, and having a counter balancer shaft, etc.

:thinking:Just think... if YAM wouldnt of tried to be cool and make it slanted to look like a SD motor it may have used the standard 650/701/760 mounting position!!
Damit Yamaha, dont be copying Seadoo anymore, thats sacrilege! :spankme:

 

[wsuwrhr]

The prices I quoted are MSRP, anything below that is handled by Dan.

I don't know what WDK sells their parts for, but the prices he quoted seem to be cost.

Brian

I think Jeff is probably getting the stock Yami parts at closer to dealer cost,those prices you posted form world of powersports are straight retail,they have a dealer pricing as well.I know I am setup with several dealers and receive huge discounts on OEM parts,the mark up on OEM parts is incredible,I usually pay close to 60% of retail and remember they are still making money when they sell me the parts.

 

[Lakeman]

Thanks and thankyou!!!

Crazy, new stock Yamaha 701 cases are 500 bucks retail I think, and new stock Yamaha
701 crank assembly is 1000 bucks retail. Why is the GP(R?)800 so much less?

Brian

The cost Jeff quoted are his dealer cost. I have talked to him enough to know this to be true.

 

[wsuwrhr]

You are exactly right.

The motor is heavier than a SJ though, so I am still not sure if it would have surprassed the SJ, but it would have no doubt been a run for the money.

Light weight/big power is the trick to racing and freestyle.

Brian

I knew about Lamey having a part in designing the YAM 800, but always wondered about this because the engine design didnt need to be slanted. It wasnt like the Seadoo 787 where the intake/exhaust are on one side, and having a counter balancer shaft, etc.

:thinking:Just think... if YAM wouldnt of tried to be cool and make it slanted to look like a SD motor it may have used the standard 650/701/760 mounting position!!
Damit Yamaha, dont be copying Seadoo anymore, thats sacrilege! :spankme:

 

[Big Kahuna]

I knew about Lamey having a part in designing the YAM 800, but always wondered about this because the engine design didnt need to be slanted. It wasnt like the Seadoo 787 where the intake/exhaust are on one side, and having a counter balancer shaft, etc.

:thinking:Just think... if YAM wouldnt of tried to be cool and make it slanted to look like a SD motor it may have used the standard 650/701/760 mounting position!!
Damit Yamaha, dont be copying Seadoo anymore, thats sacrilege! :spankme:

I thought I remembered reading years back why Yamaha slanted the motor, thinking it had something to do with the pipe.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I understand what you are saying for sure.

I don't know WDK, I have never met him, nor have I seen his products, other than what is pictured on the site.

I have the feeling him and Dan are the same mentality, that is why I am became involved with DASA officially. I have known him for over 20 years. Dan is running around ragged all the time, but at least I handle the machineshop end of the deal.


Brian

I know everyone is thinking it so I will say it. Most of us have become use to instant gratification. We finally decide to spend the big money and who we are going to spend it with, and we want it now. I feel that one of the people mentioned in this thread is a very innovative guy but just cant deliver product in a timely manner. I for one have spent alot of money with the above mentioned builder and feel that for the price I paid my only option was to be patient and wait for the product to arrive.

Bottom line is if I were to blow 10,000.00 on a turn key engine package(and by the time you add fuel, ignition, and exhaust, it is 10K or more), I want it NOW. I feel that you would get faster service from Lamey/Brian and have 'no worry' support. I like jeff, but support would be a concern due to the fact that it's hard to get him on the phone because he has sooo much going on and all the time coming up w/new stuff. I DO think Jeff could be one of the best if he would simply slow his brain down and take care of current business instead of constantly looking to the future.
ie-if he could be innovative Jeff 6 months a year and be business man Jeff the other 6 months all would be good.

 

[wsuwrhr]

The cost Jeff quoted are his dealer cost. I have talked to him enough to know this to be true.

So how could he make a living selling parts he buys for cost?

Brian

 

[wsuwrhr]

I thought I remembered reading years back why Yamaha slanted the motor, thinking it had something to do with the pipe.

Slanting the motor does allow for a tricker pipe or intake, but the reason was they didn't want to give the idea of a "competetive edge" to Seadoo by doing something new when noone else had a slanted motor.

Brian

 

[aranka]

Disclaimer:
I jet ski for the love of it, I do not claim to know anything as I’m dumb and stupid. If you don’t like what I said then go ride your Blaster, Superjet, Couch, Wife, Girl friend, Boy friend or what ever makes you stop whining, crying and complaining.[/QUOTE]

Love the Disclaimer :biggthumpup:

 

[RiverRat]

Hunter, the number of people running at 66v motor setup is only a small percentage of the number of people running 62T based setups. Plus, most do not want to fool with having to do the modifications necessary to install the 800 motor. Let along fool with WDK.

Have you ever heard to each his own. Personally, I am not gonna spend $2800.00 on a set of billet cases.. But with the design and R&D they have opened up the ability to run much longer strokes than you could with the OEM cases.

Instead of downing Brian, why not embrace new innovation. You know it is what helps this sport grow.

I don't see where I was downing him or comparing his stuff to a 66e platform. I was asking him a question based on my observations. Yes the cases are nice! But how in the hell are the 2800 bucks nicer than OEM?!? I do embrace new innovation...........but I have to see the merrit in it to embrace it.

 

[wsuwrhr]

??

Could you restate your question please?

I didn't really see a question.

I don't see where I was downing him or comparing his stuff to a 66e platform. I was asking him a question based on my observations. Yes the cases are nice! But how in the hell are the 2800 bucks nicer than OEM?!? I do embrace new innovation...........but I have to see the merrit in it to embrace it.

 

[waxhead]

im thinking about buying a few sets of those cases of wdk i cant buy them anywhere close to that price

 

[Big Kahuna]

I don't see where I was downing him or comparing his stuff to a 66e platform. I was asking him a question based on my observations. Yes the cases are nice! But how in the hell are the 2800 bucks nicer than OEM?!? I do embrace new innovation...........but I have to see the merrit in it to embrace it.

??

Could you restate your question please?

I didn't really see a question.

"Yeah its billet........"but I don't get it? Why do a 62t?" The materials are better but the design is practically the same. If you can do all that why not go all out and redesign a system from the ground up. Make everything better. Will the cases be CNC ported or do you have to do it by hand. If that is the case, won't that be 2800 down the tubes for precision cases?"

To me this whole response is putting it down, maybe I am the only one seeing it.

But like I already said, I would not be spending $2800.00 on these. I love the fact that they are out there and the versatility of them.

Also, last time I checked Dan was not producing the 800 cylinders, But he does produce the 701 based cylinder.

 

[waxhead]

If its built on 62t cases it makes a larger market
if he was building a one off for himself i am sure he would have done something different
but these are being built to sell and so you need to have it generic so that people can use there parts etc

Other wise you market is so small its not worth doing

 

[WFO Speedracer]

"Yeah its billet........"but I don't get it? Why do a 62t?" The materials are better but the design is practically the same. If you can do all that why not go all out and redesign a system from the ground up. Make everything better. Will the cases be CNC ported or do you have to do it by hand. If that is the case, won't that be 2800 down the tubes for precision cases?"

To me this whole response is putting it down, maybe I am the only one seeing it.

But like I already said, I would not be spending $2800.00 on these. I love the fact that they are out there and the versatility of them.

Also, last time I checked Dan was not producing the 800 cylinders, But he does produce the 701 based cylinder.

Usually you build stuff because there is a market and people will buy it.In this particular market these are niche markets so you have to pick and choose the products carefully,on this particular product there is a need since people were going to extremes by epoxying cases and making plates for the cases to go with bigger strokes.This product fills that particular niche rather nicely.I won't be buying one but I am glad someone is stepping up and making needed parts.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I agree, I didn't feel his post was real cool, he never asked a question.

You are correct, I asked Dan about doing a billet "R" cylinder and he didn't feel we could do anything better but a big bore. He did his homework when he designed the "R" cylinder, it is already top notch.

"Yeah its billet........"but I don't get it? Why do a 62t?" The materials are better but the design is practically the same. If you can do all that why not go all out and redesign a system from the ground up. Make everything better. Will the cases be CNC ported or do you have to do it by hand. If that is the case, won't that be 2800 down the tubes for precision cases?"

To me this whole response is putting it down, maybe I am the only one seeing it.

But like I already said, I would not be spending $2800.00 on these. I love the fact that they are out there and the versatility of them.

Also, last time I checked Dan was not producing the 800 cylinders, But he does produce the 701 based cylinder.

 

[Matt_E]

Nice job.

I gotta say, it takes guts for vendors to post here. :biggthumpup:
You could give away free $100 bills, and people would bitch about shipping.