Custom/Hybrid So After Reading Trinity Questions
- Thread starter skibums4life
- Start date
- Location
- Webster, NY
I personally feel its a bad idea for business owners to try and post on this website. It was designed for the riders and should stay that way. Look at what happened with Paul, it tore this site apart for a while. The same thing happened with Jeff. I think there is a reason why you don't see Malone or Sergio or Lenzi posting on here. It's not good for business, the sport or the X-h2o community.
I know Bobby means well and trust me if I wasn't a broke college kid I would try to get one of his hulls, but I feel like history will do nothing but repeat its self. As a proud supporter of this sport the last thing I want to see is another business go down the drain.
I know Bobby means well and trust me if I wasn't a broke college kid I would try to get one of his hulls, but I feel like history will do nothing but repeat its self. As a proud supporter of this sport the last thing I want to see is another business go down the drain.
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If you only knew............:Banane57::werd:
Mark44
Katie's Boss
- Location
- 100% one place
I have purchased a used waterdog hood and yes you get waht you pay for. I have not used to hood yet just mainly purchased it for mold making and playing around with infusion, for the money is seems to be a decent hood but then again I would never spend a grand for a jet ski hood this is just a hobbie for me.
Mark44
Mark44
Frosty
New York Crew
- Location
- Western New York
I normally sit back, read, and say nothing in these sorts of threads however; I have to agree on one thing... it's hard for a business owner to post here. Anything said is often misconstrued or taken out of context and is seen as though they are pumping up their own product and knocking down others. When, in fact, they may be just trying to educate and/or help riders make informed decisions on how they spend their money and exactly what they are getting.
And I'm sure that is exactly why we will never see the guys you mentioned, or Rick Roy with his new hull, on here.
Just my opinion...
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
ski bum I hear and agree, something else to ponder is that at some point, Bobby and his businiess were newbs to composite work and I am sure they must have made some booboos along the way. how will any of these other guys ever mature to the higher price point if they don't stay in business long enough to learn from there mistakes and improve? cheaper products= less experience. they work at their paygrade more or less.
The best is the best no doubt about it. and its clear trinity is trying to help everyone to step up. but what if that is still just out of reach of some guys? If your point(skibum) is that the guys that fill that niche should not be slammed because they are doing their part too, then I agree. so long as they are not just building crap for a quick buck knowing it is and knowing the day will come when the jig is up.
The best is the best no doubt about it. and its clear trinity is trying to help everyone to step up. but what if that is still just out of reach of some guys? If your point(skibum) is that the guys that fill that niche should not be slammed because they are doing their part too, then I agree. so long as they are not just building crap for a quick buck knowing it is and knowing the day will come when the jig is up.
- Location
- Rochester, New York
If you look at Jeff for example he does build different levels of hulls but it seems that all the lowered end ones get more into market which makes sense. Tom experience has nothing to do with this right now, not all business wants to design the best of the best.
Im glad you agree with the niche not being slammed and that's what I feel has been occuring.
I think every new manufacturer is great for the sport and is better for the consumer however I do not feel someone needs to spout of on their experience. If need be post your resume.
With building products that are not built to last though I would have to disagree. If the buyer knows they are buying a temporary product or a inferior product, if that is the market they want to serve, then so be it.
How many aftermarket hulls has waterdawg put into this site compared to others it would be interesting to see. We all know his price of the rev hull has dropped the price on roundnoses.
And im not supporting jeff or any other company. I don't even own one waterdawg piece of equipment. I have seen the trinity sxr hood and the waterdawg hood and have owned a wammer hood and xft hood, they are all at differnt price ranges dealing with differnt quality.
When he compares his product to the other top performers in this market and it comes out ahead then that will be the greatest advertisement for him.
Im glad you agree with the niche not being slammed and that's what I feel has been occuring.
I think every new manufacturer is great for the sport and is better for the consumer however I do not feel someone needs to spout of on their experience. If need be post your resume.
With building products that are not built to last though I would have to disagree. If the buyer knows they are buying a temporary product or a inferior product, if that is the market they want to serve, then so be it.
How many aftermarket hulls has waterdawg put into this site compared to others it would be interesting to see. We all know his price of the rev hull has dropped the price on roundnoses.
And im not supporting jeff or any other company. I don't even own one waterdawg piece of equipment. I have seen the trinity sxr hood and the waterdawg hood and have owned a wammer hood and xft hood, they are all at differnt price ranges dealing with differnt quality.
When he compares his product to the other top performers in this market and it comes out ahead then that will be the greatest advertisement for him.
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THRUST
ThrustInnovations.com
- Location
- royal palm beach florida
i would have to disagree with the fact that businesses should not post here . I myself am an avid rider and want to be part of the community that is why i post here not for business . if you sell products and dont deliver or sell low quality products for high price it will catch up with you if you post or not . the other thing is as a business owner dont go bashing other companies product . make your success on others failures make your product better and sell for less . discuss the advantages of your product without attacking others . alot of those big names are on here and are watching they just have other people posting and reporting back to them ,and some of them could care less and are just in it for the business . i am here to help others which like said by others often can cause drama but some of us have experience on hundreds of different skis and some have only touched a few and go by word of mouth therefore i limit my posts . i have met alot of great people on here with a similar interest and i am not going to let a few jerks get in the way of that .
Idok
F1pro
- Location
- Nations oldest muthaF+++kin city
yes but you do it without coming off like a total dickweed.....
I see posts like the ones in question, and those people automatically get dumped in the "I wont do business with you" pile
in fact, it reminds me vividly of the way Eric Malone acted on the beach at Daytona last year....hows that for some irony
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THRUST
ThrustInnovations.com
- Location
- royal palm beach florida
thanx for that . in the end we all have to keep an open mind as to what is being said . esspicially me i can be very sarcastic person which over a screen does not translate correct some time . but as far as some people they are like a small rockstar and people are coming up to them and acting like they are friends and they have never even met . some people just are not as social as others like myself . he is actually a pretty nice guy once you get to now him . most of the others are the same as well . but i understand where you and others are coming from
Outstanding post.
I think it great you and other business owners post.
If everyone posts truths and no BS everything is fine. It's when the BS starts flying is when there is problems:drive:
Idok
F1pro
- Location
- Nations oldest muthaF+++kin city
Well put...
The way I see it...any BUSINESS OWNER (whether it be a hull builder, motor builder, optometrist, or Larry's giant subs) that publicly bashes others in the same field is just ignorantly displaying their lack of experience.
If I were to do that in my office, guess what..People would walk out the door and never come back. Then for the best part..they tell their friends!
Simple business fact:
a customer will likely tell 1-3 people about a positve experience
a customer will likely tell 10x that amount about a NEGATIVE experience
business 101
jeff has ALOT of happy customers out there that are afraid to say so for fear of being bashed.
also i have never seen jeff come on a public message board and say anything negative about another in the industry.the haters can say what they want but that is one of the ways jeff has earned my respect.
i also give wdk tons of credit for refusing to splash.its his kind that are bringing this sport out of the dark ages
in case you cant tell,im one of his satisfied customers:biggrin:
GIL
Power In The Hands Of Few
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- Cullman AL
Brian has got to be the most 'stand up' guy I have met/dealt with so far. He is a no nonsense guy that has alot of product for a fair price. There is NOT a better trim system than Virgin trim, yet Brian has never said that! All his customers say it for him!!!
Mark44
Katie's Boss
- Location
- 100% one place
I would also have to say that any business that posts here selling their goods needs to pony up and support the site and its dues to keep this site active and reward the persons that maintain this site for them. Heck is free advertisement in a very small market.
Mark44
Mark44
GIL
Power In The Hands Of Few
- Location
- Cullman AL
- Location
- SO FLO
Other forums i Belong to have a special section for vendors. Maybe the ones they see fit could be put into a section like that. I always found it use full to just go to the vendors part. and find out what i was looking for. Rather then search alot to find a specific item. its alot easier to go to a section that is just for that business and there products
I have a feeling those vendors also pay for that.
It was very hard to get some of the companies that regularly post here to advertise back when I ran banners for that, at only $25/month. It wasn't worth the effort of contacting them on my part.
One other option I've thought of is a donation from people that sell something here of maybe $1. $1 won't kill anyone, but when hundreds of items are sold here monthly, it would more than cover fees and allow us to do more fun stuff like stickers/t-shirts/etc.