Other So two years ago who would have thought

Midlake Crisis

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Location
Bakersfield, CA
Two years from now:

The price of TCW-3 doubles or triples from taxes and fees claimed to address environmental concerns

Beach access for PWCs will be further regulated and fees will increase

NASA will be de-funded, prompting Trinity Composites to become the Henry Ford/Honda of high quality custom standup hulls, producing a high volume of high quality hulls with limited options and a shockingly low price (produced overseas due to labor costs and environmental regulations).

Midlake Crisis will be thinking about "doing a BR this year"
 

tom21

havin fun
Location
clearwater FL
all the same I would rather take a stand now, its not like all the 2 stoke oil and spilled fuel on the beach ever would remotely compare to what is STILL floating in the gulf.
 
When did this happen?

I spoke to a very reliable source (will not drop names) and he told me that the sj is going nowhere. it will be sold as a "competition" ski and will not have a warranty. That is the only difference.

don't believe the rumors. Personally I have never heard the sj was being dropped, I only heard the SXR was going to be. I guess people just assumed the sj was going bye bye because the SXR was??? not sure on that
 
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THRUST

ThrustInnovations.com
all the same I would rather take a stand now, its not like all the 2 stoke oil and spilled fuel on the beach ever would remotely compare to what is STILL floating in the gulf.

the only problemn is we dont have billions of dollars to fight our right to ride like
BP does and to pay off the governement to make things disapear
 

swapmeet

Brotastic
Location
Arlington TX
I AM UPSET I WONT BE ABLE TO BUY A NEW SJ!!!!!

Yes, were all upset. Maybe a better way to put it is this; There arn't a lot of people who plan on buying a brand new SJ = nobody's upset.

I'd love to see Yamaha's sales numbers for SJ's for, I dunno, the last 3-4 years... I think that would be extremely intresting.
 
It makes me sick that the government would go after 2-strokes.

Not to highjack the thread or anything but Bush passed an energy bill in 2005 that exempted major oil and natural gas companies from EPA regulations like the Safe Drinking Water Act, Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act and other regulations regarding the proper disposal of waste from drilling. There is documentary called "GasLand" that goes deeper into the issue and how these companies are poisoning people's water supply. Anyway, I'm sure about the rest of you but this is a seasonal sport for me. I get to ride maybe 4-6 months of the year ( 3 times a week if i'm lucky) and to say that 2-strokes are causing to much pollution to environment, water, etc... is a load of BS in my opinion and just sounds like some one at the EPA needed some one/group to go after for job security...

GasLand trailer for those interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8
 

gc4

I'd be lost without the x
Banning two-strokes when you look at all industrial pollution or that small oil spill in the gulf is basically like pissing in the wind


It makes me sick that the government would go after 2-strokes.

Not to highjack the thread or anything but Bush passed an energy bill in 2005 that exempted major oil and natural gas companies from EPA regulations like the Safe Drinking Water Act, Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act and other regulations regarding the proper disposal of waste from drilling. There is documentary called "GasLand" that goes deeper into the issue and how these companies are poisoning people's water supply. Anyway, I'm sure about the rest of you but this is a seasonal sport for me. I get to ride maybe 4-6 months of the year ( 3 times a week if i'm lucky) and to say that 2-strokes are causing to much pollution to environment, water, etc... is a load of BS in my opinion and just sounds like some one at the EPA needed some one/group to go after for job security...

GasLand trailer for those interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8
 
I spoke to a very reliable source (will not drop names) and he told me that the sj is going nowhere. it will be sold as a "competition" ski and will not have a warranty. That is the only difference.

don't believe the rumors. Personally I have never heard the sj was being dropped, I only heard the SXR was going to be. I guess people just assumed the sj was going bye bye because the SXR was??? not sure on that


Listen to Slut he speaks truth . Talked to some dealers here in Ga . They said they quickly sell every one they put on the floor .The changes above are correct ( competition use only , no warranty ) .
 
Yea ^^^^^ this is basically what I have heard also. So it is pretty cool we will still be able to buy new skis from Yamaha. What would be cooler is if they gave a :):):):) about selling them. I guess they figure all the $$ the spent promoting them 15 years ago is good enough and the strength of the aftermarket will continue to sell new product for them. I gotta figure out how to produce the same product year after year, not promote it and have a cottage industry grow around it's use that seems like a pretty good plan.
 
Maybe that last post came off as a little bitter...but I don't really think it makes any difference what Yamaha does. The reason the sport/hobby is alive and progressing is that we have great aftermarket companies that are passionate about standups and are still putting forth effort and money to produce better and better products. If it were not for companies like Blowsion that create products to enable us to get the most out of the outdated watercraft coming from Yamaha, the sport truly would have died a long time ago.

I'm very excited to see what the aftermarket will be coming up with when it comes to "affordable" turnkey packages.

If you make this list again in 5 years, I think one of the bullet points will be. Who would have guessed XXXXXXXX was going to be the next OEM to fill the void left by Yamaha and Kawasaki.
 
Maybe that last post came off as a little bitter...but I don't really think it makes any difference what Yamaha does. The reason the sport/hobby is alive and progressing is that we have great aftermarket companies that are passionate about standups and are still putting forth effort and money to produce better and better products. If it were not for companies like Blowsion that create products to enable us to get the most out of the outdated watercraft coming from Yamaha, the sport truly would have died a long time ago.

I'm very excited to see what the aftermarket will be coming up with when it comes to "affordable" turnkey packages.

If you make this list again in 5 years, I think one of the bullet points will be. Who would have guessed XXXXXXXX was going to be the next OEM to fill the void left by Yamaha and Kawasaki.

I agree with you 100%. You post didn't sound bitter. I was just saying maybe we should start letting Yamaha know how we feel by approaching them directly. It would be cool to take them a Santa Claus style mail bag stuffed with "wish lists"
 

Boris

The Good Old Days
I agree with you 100%. You post didn't sound bitter. I was just saying maybe we should start letting Yamaha know how we feel by approaching them directly. It would be cool to take them a Santa Claus style mail bag stuffed with "wish lists"

Yamaha knows and doesn't care. Not enough potential unit sales.
 

rasper99

Freighter wake hunter
Location
Portland, OR
It wasn't exactly 2 years ago but...
In the summer of 2008 when gas prices were ridiculous how many people thought of giving up our little gas hogs? I lot of people where whining online that they couldn't afford to ride. They were concerned they would have to give it up if gas went higher.
 
Sarcasm is always so hard to get across in internet language. That first post should have sounded bitter, Yamaha has ignored our segment of the market but still continues to profit from it on the backs of the aftermarket companies.

To be clear the next couple of paragraphs will contain no sarcasm...just the truth as I see it.

For sure it would hurt the sport now to no longer have the option of buying new SuperJets. There really is no better way to start a build than to start with nice fresh parts off a new boat. Even if you are just going to scavenge the crank case, electronics, and various other internal components and hardware to build an aftermarket hull. There is a lot to be said for being able to start with nice fresh new parts. But what will be far better for the sport is when we have an independent company doing small scale production runs of more capable watercraft. Similar to what may of the custom builder are doing now, just on a little larger scale (say 50 units at a time) with a spec product that would allow them to purchase/build parts more cost effectively. I don't think that is a pipe dream by any stretch and I really don't think this is going to be too far off. We have yet to see anyone in our industry build a semi-production based complete boat that is a fun recreational ski with some freestyle/freeride capabilities, and there is a market for that product. I've see it all over the world. Such a company would then be motivated to grow our sport/hobby and not just sit idly by on the sidelines sucking $7,500 out of everyone who wants to start with new parts to build a capable, fun watercraft. (Please don't read too much in to this next part, because it is not happening...but lets just consider it.) I would think an aftermarket company such as Blowison that already creates may of the aftermarket parts we now use would be in a pretty good position put a project like this together. And I think this is probably what RRP is in the process of doing now.

From my point of view, having Yamaha continue to pump out 15 year old product is only going to hinder who ever the next OEM builder is going to be from making the investment to enter the market. I think this will be the next step for our sport at some point, when it will come and who it will come from...who knows.

As to the question of how many units are sold...who knows. The only numbers I place any faith in are from my friends in Argentina who say they sell about 100 superjets a year there, and Yamaha sells more there than any other country. I could be way off...but this is what I have heard. Whatever the number is, clearly it is not enough for a company like Yamaha to focus on. But a small company that could be profitable selling 50 - 100 units a year not unrealistic.

My thoughts for what they are worth.
 

Waternut

Customizing addict
Location
Macon, GA
But what will be far better for the sport is when we have an independent company doing small scale production runs of more capable watercraft. Similar to what may of the custom builder are doing now, just on a little larger scale (say 50 units at a time) with a spec product that would allow them to purchase/build parts more cost effectively.

You make good points Ross but I have to argue this point. Think about the Polaris Octanes. I would consider them exactly what you mention except for the independent company. They were made with factory pipes, mag pumps, and a lot of nice stuff that the SJ guys pay big bucks for. However, these ski's never really became popular even despite the publicity they received (bought?) in the movie "Into the Blue". I don't know if people get bored when they can't mod or whether the Octanes were just outrageously expensive (I wasn't in the sport at the time) but those ski's just seem to be incredibly sexy but still a red headed stepchild so no one wants them.
 
I know a few people who were close to the Ocatane project, and basically from what I understand is that the sales numbers were just not there for Polaris which is reason the pulled out of watercraft in general. If they aren't selling multiple thousand units...then it is not worth their time. But I don't really know the details of the project.
 
Rickroy is onto something with the type builds he is doing with just parts from a sj,it would be tough to do it any other way. cost is the issue for the masses
 
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