TNT pipes

[Mark44]

If you go back through this thread you will see few pictures

Lets see some pics of the process when you get started.

Mark44

 

[tntsuperjet]

Lets see some pics of the process when you get started.

Mark44

I could do that, will take photos of test pipes on dyno then you guys can get an idea of what it takes to build a pipe.
I will try to upload dyno graphs for each test pipe also.
Not sure I can upload the graphs though.
My phone is limited!

 

[Cannibal]

I started a thread in general about the performance of each type of pipe. Will you be getting the dyno numbers for regular B pipes and having a comparison with the TNT pipe?

I'd bet we'd be able to get some chambers to lend for the testing if needed. I have a Kawi chamber and a SJ Mod chamber here that I could probably do without for the a couple months this winter.

I'd love to get a TNT chamber eventually, but I'd also like to know what chamber would come in second on a dyno shootout.

I know people here would love to see some dyno sheets on the different pipes on the same setups.

 

[Mark44]

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I could do that, will take photos of test pipes on dyno then you guys can get an idea of what it takes to build a pipe.
I will try to upload dyno graphs for each test pipe also.
Not sure I can upload the graphs though.
My phone is limited!

Great sounds good!

Mark44

 

[800amsoil4u]

I could do that, will take photos of test pipes on dyno then you guys can get an idea of what it takes to build a pipe.
I will try to upload dyno graphs for each test pipe also.
Not sure I can upload the graphs though.
My phone is limited!

Thanks for trying to bring this pipe back to life for everyone. Would you be able to video the dyno runs? I think that would also help sell the pipe.

 

[tntsuperjet]

I have no way of uploading video.
The dyno numbers will be available, I can't get into uploading video, and getting all crazy with PR.
My job is to build a pipe that makes power!
I will supply dyno numbers to show what it does.
Will overlay FP B chamber and mod chamber.
Will even try to compair to Baxter dry pipe.

Keep in mind I do all my Internet stuff on my phone.

 

[oujawdoc]

Tim,

Good to see ya back. I emailed you just making sure you got my email. If you can't see the pics well I will post them here of my pipe. Just wanting to confirm which pipe this is. My email has more specific info. and questions.

Thanks

 

[masterblaster]

I could do that, will take photos of test pipes on dyno then you guys can get an idea of what it takes to build a pipe.
I will try to upload dyno graphs for each test pipe also.
Not sure I can upload the graphs though.
My phone is limited!

very cool,bout time someone did this. Have someone shoot the vid of the dyno pulls,and close ups of the curves,mail it to us and we will get it posted and pull stills out of it with the curves for each pipe.If you have a decent vid phone you could use that as well.If your going to take the time to dyno them it would be a big time waste not to document it,especially in this arena

 

[tntsuperjet]

I can't run a dyno and shoot video, I have one brain and two hands.
My phone is iPhone it doesn't do video.

I think, could be wrong, but don't you guys want me to have my brain focused on making power? Not how to document every little step on video to upload it on Internet!

I will have 5-15 days in dyno room making pass after pass.

I have watched the video that was taken of my busa quad on the dyno, and the video made 530whp quad look boring.

There is not enough space in dyno room for tripod to setup

Just get off the topic, not gonna happen!

 

[Cannibal]

Maybe it's just me, but watching dyno runs isn't very exciting.

I'm much more interested in the numbers it puts out.

If the dyno you are using has a print function. I'm sure we can find someone that can receive the graphs as faxes then scan them and upload them (I'd be willing, no problem).

There's lots of people on this site willing to lend a hand for the advancement of the sport (no strings attached).

 

[tntsuperjet]

I can photo the graphs and upload, just not video.
Everyone wants to see graphs.
But watching a perfectly ridable motor scream it's life away on stand is like watching paint dry!

 

[masterblaster]

graphs are fine,but a vid of the highest producing pipe would get stupid hits here.considering every other dyno claim in the last 10 yrs was complete bs,half of marketing is hype...its up to you since its your show.

 

[Matt_E]

graphs are fine,but a vid of the highest producing pipe would get stupid hits here.considering every other dyno claim in the last 10 yrs was complete bs,half of marketing is hype...its up to you since its your show.

"Stupid hits" don't translate into sales.
Considering how plenty of people signed up for piddly items like an X-H20 t-shirt and then didn't follow through on a $16 purchase, "stupid hits" don't mean squat.

 

[SuperJETT]

"Stupid hits" don't translate into sales.
Considering how plenty of people signed up for piddly items like an X-H20 t-shirt and then didn't follow through on a $16 purchase, "stupid hits" don't mean squat.

Add in the fact that our members/visitors are a small percentage of the market in the US, and even smaller in the world, the pipes will sell just fine without a videoed dyno run being posted here.

 

[tntsuperjet]

The prob I see is people get focussed on that big peak horsepower number they loose site of what makes a boat rip.
Personally I will trade 5 peak hp for 5 average hp from 3k-7k,
I have seen few smart comments made through last few posts!
Then it needs to have good over rev so motor doesn't go rich on top end and create jetting issues!

 

[masterblaster]

The prob I see is people get focussed on that big peak horsepower number they loose site of what makes a boat rip.
Personally I will trade 5 peak hp for 5 average hp from 3k-7k,

No ? here on that,peak hp means squat to any of us unless its in the usable torque range of hitting a wave at lower speeds.thusly the graph means more than peak #.thats kinda what this whole pipe mission thread is about anyway right?A vid is just another tool for sales in trade of 5 min of extra effort.Since a dyno is like the elusive near extinct holy grail of this industry in the last 10yrs to unluck a few extra ponies... it makes sense to me. Is anyone gonna get bored watching all 15 secs of it,lol:ugh2:

 

[Matt_E]

Are you interested in buying one? :thinking:

 

[Cannibal]

The prob I see is people get focussed on that big peak horsepower number they loose site of what makes a boat rip.
Personally I will trade 5 peak hp for 5 average hp from 3k-7k,

That's exactly why I would like to see graphs. I'm not as impressed with peak power as I am where the power peaks and for how long it peaks for.

Most of us would hate a pipe that had power that looked like this "^" or this "/"

 

[tntsuperjet]

No ? here on that,peak hp means squat to any of us unless its in the usable torque range of hitting a wave at lower speeds.thusly the graph means more than peak #.thats kinda what this whole pipe mission thread is about anyway right?A vid is just another tool for sales in trade of 5 min of extra effort.Since a dyno is like the elusive near extinct holy grail of this industry in the last 10yrs to unluck a few extra ponies... it makes sense to me. Is anyone gonna get bored watching all 15 secs of it,lol:ugh2:

Your kicking a dead horse!
It's not 5 min, it's not gonna happen unless you fly in when we are all done testing and have finishes product, then you can man the camera off and one for two days we spend doing back to back testing.
A dyno run may take 15 seconds but it's not fair dyno run unless you try multiple jetting, timing and compression ratio's.
Not everyone runs same setup so I can't just pick a base line and say ok, here it is now try all the pipes with the TNT pipe setup!

Masterblaster, I think your time would be way better spent reasearching my past and finding out what kind of person I am.

I don't sell gimicks, promises or contraptions.

I'm not a salesman trying to sell you the holly Grail of pipes.
Your going to get the real deal, no funny business.
I test everything to death, then one more time just in case I fricked up first time.
My old pipes sold themselves. People rode a boat I setup and wanted it.
I never advertised anything.
You make quality part that works and people find out about it and buy it.

I didn't close TNT because we didn't sell product.
I closed it because I was tired of working 18hr days 6to7 days week in stupid hot havasu weather.

And TNT never really closed, we just closed our retail side and I just do what I want.
If you come to me with a project that looks like challenge I will prob do it.
But it has to be way outside the box.

Building a pipe is not outside the box, it's very inside the box.
I'm doing it because life long friends asked me to.
So being the anial builder, I can't take a 15yr old design and just remake it.
Ign, and props have come long way now a new pipe is warranted.
Will my pipe work better for everyone, he'll no. Way to many veriables.
But if your motor combo is all in the same order as what I build, it should out perform everything on the market.

Flat transphers, square exhaust ports, good reed choice and matching head design for that, it will run.
But so many people run staggered porting, high transphers with oval exhaust ports, narrow squish, heavy reads and somehome make it run with a b pipe.
Well stay away from my pipe with that combo because it won't work!

I know the superstock pipe runs with big motors because I have done few,
85mm bore with 6mm strokers and was able to get wicked bottom end to point of unpropable back then.
I ended up raising the exhaust ports to soften them up because I had to retard the timing to much, and old ignitions didn't give you any advance options.

Just keep this in mind, pipes with high trapping pressures kill motors without square port timing. Center bleed, small stinger, large volumes of water in stinger, etc.
I can't build a pipe for ever crazy eng combo.

I will post all the engine specs of dyno dog that we test on.
Give you all every spec of eng, complete blueprint so to speak.
Will leave out nothing, so you all can see what the engine is and if you think your setup is similar and this be the pipe for you.

 

[WaveDemon]

wow, great post.