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WAB

salty nuts
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Correct info will always float to the top over lies and agendas.
Whatever, it's mostly all just bandwagoning and agendas :pancake:
For example:
From JrMagoo's to Team Scream
From Lamey cyl to ??
from Blaster/TNT mod chambers to Mod chambers to Ltd chambers
from dual 38's to dual 44's to aftermarket
from extended ride plates to D cut plates
From footholds to straps
 

Matt_E

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Bingo.

Remember all the hype about the Concord impeller?
Remember all the hype about the PowerFactor pipe?
Lots of hype about various hull builders that, in the end, turned out heavy parts?
TBM cone?
Wetwolf Cone?

The list goes on. This site is a cesspool of "knowledge" that's really just bandwagonery, for lack of a better term.
Anyone challenging the mighty band wagon WILL get bashed.
 
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Ohio
Whatever, it's mostly all just bandwagoning and agendas :pancake:
For example:
From JrMagoo's to Team Scream (porting?)
From Lamey cyl to ?? (I haven't ridden AM cylinders)
from Blaster/TNT mod chambers to Mod chambers to Ltd chambers (all good)
from dual 38's to dual 44's to aftermarket (both good)
from extended ride plates to D cut plates (rider preference)
From footholds to straps (rider preference)




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Location
Ohio
At least we all agree on these simple things:

light weight hulls are the greatest thing since slice bread.

701 port timed 865's are the best things since light weight hulls.

Dave at Impros knows props.

JSS does really nice work.

Surf rules.

Riders/wrenchers make better informants than either/or.

People posting may have agendas.
 
wab....lol

everything you posted was moving from worse to better....like mods.
I think the concord was pretty average...that was a deff bandwagon here,the hooker on the other hand is actually better.
Chuck and others that really know what they are talking about do great here,people get questioned on what they propose until they are validated in these type setup skis,no one cares what anyone did with racing setups or 15 yr old motor tech. Could anyone pull 20% or more power down low than the fp limited already does crammed in every little bit of space the sj has to offer? thats all anyone really wants to know for their $500
 

Matt_E

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At least we all agree on these simple things:
Can we?

light weight hulls are the greatest thing since slice bread.
Can't say, haven't tried one.

701 port timed 865's are the best things since light weight hulls.
Can't say, haven't tried one. Have you?

Too often, opinions on what's the best thing since sliced bread are formed by people that have not tried the item in question.

Don't get me wrong: I am not saying light hulls & TS 865 motors aren't great. They look like good reliable and powerful motors at reasonable cost. But I've never tried one (would love to, though), so I wouldn't go proclaiming how great of a motor it is. I have pretty much resigned myself to recommending/not recommending stuff only if I have tried it myself.
 
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Ohio
Ahhhg....you got me.

I have not tried one but it makes perfect sense. A 701 with 864 more CC's and 46 carbs.

It just sounds like heaven......but it could suck I guess.

I'll know soon....I am gonna ride one..... and then buy one someday.
 

swanny

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portland
At first, I was glad to see this possibly happening, then I saw a lot of boasting about stuff that happened 15+ years ago, pretty much all of it related to rpms/speed and mentioning running 81mm nozzles, then a comment about being world freestyle champion that is unsubstantiated, plus I got into the sport back then big time and don't remember ever seeing Tim's name as a top runner.

There have been so many people in jetskiing that are either scum or liars or exaggerators or just shady, that I'm very jaded and when I see stuff like this posted, I don't believe it unless there is solid proof.

I'd say coming on x-h2o was a mistake, we're not your demographic. Pwctoday is where most of the racers are, they are your market unless you can get a few chambers built and hit some test/tune sessions with people that are respected for their opinions.

I'm out.

One of the worst posts I have ever read.

If you cant understand what credibility is then you need to zip it!
 
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Ohio
I have pretty much resigned myself to recommending/not recommending stuff only if I have tried it myself.

If you go to a few Virginias and Daytonas, or whatever freerides, that could be dozens if not more set ups that you could now honestly comment on.
 

Matt_E

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If you go to a few Virginias and Daytonas, or whatever freerides, that could be dozens if not more set ups that you could now honestly comment on.


The Pacific Northwest has Freerides as well, you know.
Freerides don't stop west of the Great Lakes, even though it sometimes seems like it, reading forums and such.

I have indeed tried some different setups, with the following results:
1. I didn't spend enough time on it
2. I didn't care for it, so I won't be posting a review.

Regarding #2: Usually, I won't post my negative opinion on a setup. Nothing good will come of it but division, hate and discontent. If someone flat out asks me about a setup or a particular component of a setup, I'll speak up. But I will NOT bash someone's setup based on 10 minutes ride time.
 
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GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
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Cullman AL
The Pacific Northwest has Freerides as well, you know.

Freerides don't stop west of the Great Lakes.

Wait till the JWE corporate jet picks yo azz up. You will forget all about the Pac NW!!! We roll big pimpin down here in the South! Charles just put some 28's on his fo runner.
 
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Ohio
The Pacific Northwest has Freerides as well, you know.

Freerides don't stop west of the Great Lakes.

I know...I wish could make them!!...I said any freerides...

But I mean I at free rides you can ride strokers and hulls and dry pipes and blah blah blah...

Not to mention all of the chit we have all owned and tested looking for low hit.
 
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Matt_E

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But I mean I at free rides you can ride strokers and hulls and dry pipes and blah blah blah...
And I've done that. You may remember me posting my honest opinions on certain drypipes. :biggrin:

I've also ridden a couple aftermarket hulls and strokers at said freerides.
Truth is, I wasn't impressed enough to post a positive opinion.
 
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And I've done that. You may remember me posting my honest opinions on certain drypipes. :biggrin:

I've also ridden a couple aftermarket hulls and strokers at said freerides.
Truth is, I wasn't impressed enough to post a positive opinion.

Oh yea I remember...

Ahhh...its good to hear someone agree that strokers are not impressive....but then do we really know that they were prop'd properly? I can't say cuz it was not my set up (which would merely be running whatever Dave told me to).
 

Matt_E

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That's another thing: who knows if the setup I've tried and wasn't impressed with was set up properly? Maybe the hull was quite a bit heavier than mine. Maybe it's set up for a riding style completely different from my own.
One stroker I've tried was in a very heavy hull. That makes a fair comparison a bit hard.

I'll give my opinions all day long about parts that I've owned for a while or have owned in the past (i.e., WDK and WCF/XFT/WTF hoods, certain pipes, TL, heads, poles, steering setups, etc)
 
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RMBC Freeride

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Darren, I think you've overreacted to this, especially with the 81mm nozzle & RPM concerns. Yes, Tim was stating what was being used 15+ years ago, pre-mag pump, pre-freestyle as we know it. Heck, freestyle was still a 550 game back then. Tim's heyday if you will was during the early years of SuperJet racing. Before the IJSBA would even allow anything but kawasakis. The Hot Water Tour, sanctioned by the APBA, I believe, was the start of SJ racing as we know it. I remember Tim's name & his chambers from back then. I think his early successes started there. Please correct me if I'm wrong. As for his titles, I dont remember... more on that below..

My point in all this is, some builders/tuners/pipe guru's know how to make horsepower, regardless of application. Where did Chucky get his start?... Race motors... badazz, "screamin" race motors. Art... racing too. Webster, Lamey, Judge, Brazina, Baxter... etc. Is there any question that they can build (and have built) strong "freestyle" engines? Guys that know how to build horsepower can do so and adapt to new applications. I think Tim is trying to learn what the market is and build his next-generation pipe to fit that need.

And I'll add this (opening can of worms): Who is to say a "freestyle engine" is so much different than a (properly built) race engine? I believe we have all been led (banwagonned?) on the belief that there is a certain way to make a one-dimentional "low end grunt" motor. I have a "race motor" in my freestyle ski (gasp!). It was built by Team Scream as a "race motor". And yet it "hits" extremely hard with the way I have it set up. Most that ride it would never guess it was not a "freestyle motor". And yes, I have a TNT chamber on it. Found out from Tim that it is the superstock TNT chamber, fwiw.

I recently spoke with Tim on the phone about my chambers, the "sport" & it's history, and his pipe building plans. I have never talked to him before in my life. I can tell you he was extremely friendly and helpful and talked to me as if he knew me as an old friend. He's a horsepower junkie/motorhead/fun-seeker just like the rest of us... However, I must admit he probably shouldn't have come on here mentioning his titles or trophy's, etc... But from what I have gathered he has a passion for skis (and other high horsepower toys) and he wears his heart on his sleeve. Probably spoke too soon and should have stuck to pipe talk, IMO.

Frankly, I would prefer he not build any more pipes. I like having something unique that performs extremely well. Is it just bling? I say no... but I do like the look of it, ease of install and the hard hit it provides. Not to mention power throughout the RPM range, but of course, freestyle skis are not supposed to have that, right? They're supposed to sign off on top end and go flat & quit revving - isn't that what we've been led to believe? Anyone rode an EME 1000 engine? Make a helluva open GP class race boat IMO... :biggrin: And yet it does backflips from a dead stop in capable hands...

I've rambled on enough. I usually stay out of these hot topics... And my only agenda is that I like Tim's old pipes and like to talk about them - that's it. i too would love to see back to back comparisons of his "new" chamber vs. the trusty B-LTD. And I agree it would be sweet if it will hands-down out perform it - I'd buy another one!
 

SkiNaked

Stand up or Shut up!
At least we all agree on these simple things:

light weight hulls are the greatest thing since slice bread.

701 port timed 865's are the best things since light weight hulls.

Dave at Impros knows props.

JSS does really nice work.

Surf rules.

Riders/wrenchers make better informants than either/or.

People posting may have agendas.


Light weight hulls suck in the surf IMO. I have only rode a Lightweight DE hull by Blowsion. Could be that I am not good enough to ride one. But either way, I would stick with a heavier hull in the surf.

For you flatwater guys and east coast small surf guys, I would assume they are great.
 

Scorn800

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People should speak up about their own personal experinces & what they've used that works & what doesn't. People should not be affraid to post negative or conflicting opinions. Hell, some people might still be believing in the magic DYNO if nothing was ever said. I think it sucks that people on this site ran off a guy that builds pipes because he wasn't a "freestyler"
 
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SkiNaked

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The problem is every is posting on :):):):) they have no idea about because it sounds good or somebody said this.

If you have not had one or rode one. STFU!!! IMO.
 
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