Turf Wars Jetski VS Surfer

madscientist

chilling with these guys.
Location
good old p'cola
The kiteboarding should slow down a bit at the spot, since driving has been banned where they normally launch.
This does not make me happy. They normally ride when it's really windy and blown out.
But it raises an interesting question:

In FL a jet ski is registered asa a class "a" power boat.
Maritime law requires any powered vessel to give "right of way" to any wind powered vessel....
Are they a vessel?
Do they get right of way because they have no motor?

i interpreted it as the less maneuverable vessel has the right away not necessarily the wind powered vessel. and have been told this is the law, the blow boaters have taken it to the level that all should bow to them

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Fortunately I haven't had any major run ins with surfers. If they are out there, I just leave the good waves to them and move down the beach. I don't want to jack up their waves. If I was riding a spot and they decided to paddle out right by me.......well, that is their choice. I will give them a safe amount of space but I won't totally move.
Most of the kite boarders seem to be pretty cool. I saw a perfect wave last year and did a roll about 30ft from a kiteboarder. I made eye contact with him several times so he know I was watching out for him. I landed the roll and he gave me a big thumbs up.

I think surfing on the great lakes is probably a little different. Not quite the same sense of "owning" the water.
 

WRX Dave

Freestyle poser
i interpreted it as the less maneuverable vessel has the right away not necessarily the wind powered vessel. and have been told this is the law, the blow boaters have taken it to the level that all should bow to them

:reporter:

Absolutely not true. Read the Coast Guard navigation rules sometime. A sailboat under sail power in open water has right of way over every powered vessels except those not under command, restricted in ability to maneuver, or engaged in fishing. So unless you're in distress, dredging, or operating a commercial fishing trawler, give way to the slow guys.


It would be nice if common sense were to prevail and people wouldn't abuse right of way rules, but we all know that won't happen.
 

Rickster

Matakana Menace
i interpreted it as the less maneuverable vessel has the right away not necessarily the wind powered vessel. and have been told this is the law, the blow boaters have taken it to the level that all should bow to them

:reporter:

That is correct, not all powered vessels have to give way to a blow boat...

And a blow boat using boat sail and power, is a powered vessel...

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Rickster

Matakana Menace
Absolutely not true. Read the Coast Guard navigation rules sometime. A sailboat under sail power in open water has right of way over every powered vessels except those not under command, restricted in ability to maneuver, or engaged in fishing. So unless you're in distress, dredging, or operating a commercial fishing trawler, give way to the slow guys.


It would be nice if common sense were to prevail and people wouldn't abuse right of way rules, but we all know that won't happen.

'restricted in ability' is the key, and most commercial traffic around the coast and on rivers are deemed as 'restricted in ability'...
 

WaHoo_1

Surf Swimmer
Location
Tampa, FL
That's very true in my experience. Even "surfers" in Huntington Beach, where I learned to surf, were "not allowed" unless you were a friend of somebody.

Surfers and jet skiers seem to co-exist here in Florida a lot better.

We only have issues when the surf is really good.


During hurricane Bill the surfers wanted the same waves we did. (4 different workable breaks here)
AllDayJay towed a distressed surfer to shore... straight through the line-up. They gave us no more crap that day.

that makes two of us then bc i towed a surfer as well from waaaay inside the inlet- say middle of it, over to the shore and back to the bridge. Ahhh, sorry bout your leash bra! I didn't mind helping him out at all.

had a discussion today with the bud who grew up in Cali surfin. Told him about the vid. He agreed that a greater % of surfers are territorial and heavily prone to altercations for dropping in on them or getting in their lines. Many are plain flat out a$$holes for the elitist views regarding "surf rights" etc. Again, not all, but most. With that said... education helps! I talked with a guy/ owner of a surf shop located in Cali just the other day and took the opportunity to tell him a bit about motosurfing as he was asking me questions about it. Quite honestly I was amazed that he'd never seen or heard of it, but then again, being Cali with all the laws / restrictions etc... and surfing being so big there.

Here on the gulf, we pretty much try to peacefully co-exist... just try be mindful and respectful of the other guy and stay out their way. I personally can't see getting that bent over a wave. WTF, there's more to go around!:fing02:
 
My 2 cents

I think I get into far more confrontations driving and at work than I ever have in the water. I used to jet ski every weekend, but have been surfing more frequently the past couple years. In New Smyrna most of the "good" surfers (not the ones that think they are) are cool as hell. A couple long time locals have even been riding my ski and could not believe how hard it was. I guess the point is there are jerks in every sport and yes even jet skiing. I think for the most part every one is cool. Only one time (prior to me having kids) in all the years did I have someone want to kick my ass on the beach. I was loading my skis onto the trailer at the jetski zone. I saw the two guys walking up with no boards and one had a 3 foot stick. I said to the one guy that was a couple steps behind, you may want to turn round and call 911 for your buddy and then I bowed up and asked the guy with the stick if he wanted to go get a couple more friends cause it would take more than the two of them to take me. My wife started yelling please Rob don't do it, they turned around, never said a word. I finished loading and left. I thought it was funny. They were mad cause the life guard truck was trying to call them out of the water because they were in the jetski zone and I drove over and told them the lifeguard was trying to get them. I wasn't a jerk about it.
 
I am new to xh20. Stoked to find that most of the guys on here are really alright. I am originally from San Diego, And there in most areas you need to be a minimum of 100 feet from surfers. I have been surfing for 20+ years and never had a problem with skis. I have been riding skis about 7-8 years and have never had a problem with surfers. I ride Oceanside, And Pismo beach alot. Now, on the Sacramento river what you really need to watch out for is weekend warriors on couches gettin in the lineup or crossing wakes....Danger,Danger....Ride hard, go big.
 
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ridethelip

Guest
why was camera so shakey? did the kick to the surfboard hurt his foot or help to resolve the conflict? some x2's sink without help so who's fault is that?
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
Fortunately I haven't had any major run ins with surfers. If they are out there, I just leave the good waves to them and move down the beach. I don't want to jack up their waves. If I was riding a spot and they decided to paddle out right by me.......well, that is their choice. I will give them a safe amount of space but I won't totally move.
Most of the kite boarders seem to be pretty cool. I saw a perfect wave last year and did a roll about 30ft from a kiteboarder. I made eye contact with him several times so he know I was watching out for him. I landed the roll and he gave me a big thumbs up.

I think surfing on the great lakes is probably a little different. Not quite the same sense of "owning" the water.

That is called respect. It goes along way!!!!!!!!!!
 

FlightPlanDan

Don'tTrustAfartAfter50
Absolutely not true. Read the Coast Guard navigation rules sometime. A sailboat under sail power in open water has right of way over every powered vessels except those not under command, restricted in ability to maneuver, or engaged in fishing. So unless you're in distress, dredging, or operating a commercial fishing trawler, give way to the slow guys.


It would be nice if common sense were to prevail and people wouldn't abuse right of way rules, but we all know that won't happen.
My real question is this....a blow boat is running his motor for propulsion, but keeps his jib (if not main) raised but flapping slack. Is he doing this to maintain right of way? Or am I missing some sailing skills?
 

Odd Duck

Jet Vet
Location
DFW, TX
Depends on the amount and angle of the wind, the angle he's trying to move, etc. He may be trying to make the most out of a bad angle. But if they are underway via the motor, they no longer qualify for right of way (at least that's my understanding).
 
I was hoping he will break it !!!
If somebody will try sink my ski , I'll break his board on his head !!!

What i should had done.. But the guy had a leg rope to throw around my neck.. also didnt intend havin a drown ski after an hr of riding, so i attempted to reason with the guy and when that didnt work nev took over..
 
I think I get into far more confrontations driving and at work than I ever have in the water. I used to jet ski every weekend, but have been surfing more frequently the past couple years. In New Smyrna most of the "good" surfers (not the ones that think they are) are cool as hell. A couple long time locals have even been riding my ski and could not believe how hard it was. I guess the point is there are jerks in every sport and yes even jet skiing. I think for the most part every one is cool. Only one time (prior to me having kids) in all the years did I have someone want to kick my ass on the beach. I was loading my skis onto the trailer at the jetski zone. I saw the two guys walking up with no boards and one had a 3 foot stick. I said to the one guy that was a couple steps behind, you may want to turn round and call 911 for your buddy and then I bowed up and asked the guy with the stick if he wanted to go get a couple more friends cause it would take more than the two of them to take me. My wife started yelling please Rob don't do it, they turned around, never said a word. I finished loading and left. I thought it was funny. They were mad cause the life guard truck was trying to call them out of the water because they were in the jetski zone and I drove over and told them the lifeguard was trying to get them. I wasn't a jerk about it.


thats because from a 100 yards away you look like a fat guy.....


its only when you get close can you see your 42" neck :bump:
 

WRX Dave

Freestyle poser
Depends on the amount and angle of the wind, the angle he's trying to move, etc. He may be trying to make the most out of a bad angle. But if they are underway via the motor, they no longer qualify for right of way (at least that's my understanding).

That's exactly right. Once the iron jenny is fired up, it's a powered vessel just like any other.

I sometimes motor-sail at very low power if I have passengers on board who aren't used to sailing. It lets me keep a better cruise speed at a lower heel angle. Other than that the outboard is only used if the wind direction doesn't allow me to sail directly in and out of the docks.




In open water, a sailboat still has right of way over a large commercial vessel. This doesn't apply in narrow channels where the deep draft restricts the large vessel's maneuverability, which is where the misconception that large tankers would always have R-O-W over smaller sailboats comes from.
 
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