Surfriding Westons Puzzle boat, surf build

[weston]

As some of you may know a week ago i rode the surf for the first time. and beat my ski up pretty good. id like to continue ridding surf and go big.
obviously i need to ad some strength to my hull.
its already been reinforced for flat water (stitched bi axle from hood lip to bond line, with some chop mat)
my plan is to do the following
grind the ribs down reinforce with stitched bi axle from the hood lip to the motor mounts, reinforce the nose
i already have an aluminum plate under the pole mount
install another bilge pump
ad foot strap/straps
shorten the turn plate or possibly get a diffeant steering system
change to rhass urethane motor mounts
surf proof the electrical system.
and re paint the engine bay.
install some tubbies or equivalent.
fix the chamber and hood
id like some advise on what where and how much/type of material to use for reinforcing.
and what tubbies work the best.
is there a way to keep the pipe off the side?
i dont want to bash my chamber up again.
how can i fix the hood in a way that will not brake again. or is it even possible?
any other things i should do before i put it back together? i want to do this ounce.

 

[FlightPlanDan]

Don't go crazy. The main thing a "surf boat" needs is a way to get the water out of the engine compartment...fast.
I've read your other thread about your surf mishap. It's not gonna be like that every day. The more you get used to surf, the less damage you will have.
My sj hull is not reinforced at all (except for the tray) .

 

[tightithrash]

weston your chamber bend is the first time ive ever seen that happen........ very odd for sure. if it were me id kinda take that as a fluke and would just re-enforce the sides like you said and just throw some hydro-turf blocking the chamber to hull.

re-enforce the sides underneath and to the top of our hood line and grind off the excess. hood lines are a problem spot so get it good the first time.

Rhass mounts i think are a great idea and i will be running them in my ski very soon.

for tubbies, which just had a thorough discussion in another thread, i would go with the destroyers for simple install and better design over the tubbie 1.

i cant really see whats going on with your hood?

 

[FlightPlanDan]

Ride the surf. Fix the ski as you go. The more you ride surf, the more you will know what "you" need for your style.

 

[infamy]

Ride the surf. Fix the ski as you go. The more you ride surf, the more you will know what "you" need for your style.

well if you ever want to get air and or do inverts, i say re-inforce it first so you dont have down time later doing repairs. unless you are someone who only wants to do surf riding and never any jumping, then you WILL need to re-inforce your ski. like tittirash said, make sure to beef up under the hood lip area real good.

 

[weston]

Don't go crazy. The main thing a "surf boat" needs is a way to get the water out of the engine compartment...fast.
I've read your other thread about your surf mishap. It's not gonna be like that every day. The more you get used to surf, the less damage you will have.
My sj hull is not reinforced at all (except for the tray) .

i don't mean to be rude but....your sig shows your from FL arnt the waves small over there. if you don't go big your less likely to break stuff. i could totally ride the surf with a un reinforced ski and not have problems. but i don't just want to ride i want to go big and its obvious i will have to overcome the learning curve and in doing so id like to keep the carnage to minimum.
thank you for your input it is appreciated:beerchug:

Ride the surf. Fix the ski as you go. The more you ride surf, the more you will know what "you" need for your style.

id like to keep my down time to a minimum. i feel with some sound advise i should be able to avoid fixing and re fixing if i do it right the first tim.
I don't want to paint the outside of my ski again and if i crack it any worse than i did i would have to grind out the inside as well as the outside to get the strength back.
at this point i think i can get away with just grinding the inside and glassing.
but i get your point.

weston your chamber bend is the first time Ive ever seen that happen........ very odd for sure. if it were me id kinda take that as a fluke and would just re-enforce the sides like you said and just throw some hydro-turf blocking the chamber to hull.

re-enforce the sides underneath and to the top of our hood line and grind off the excess. hood lines are a problem spot so get it good the first time.

Rhass mounts i think are a great idea and i will be running them in my ski very soon.

for tubbies, which just had a thorough discussion in another thread, i would go with the destroyers for simple install and better design over the tubbie 1.

i cant really see whats going on with your hood?

when i landed it snapped the front pipe coupler clamp it instantly had an exhaust leak ran like poo, so i had to bring it in.
my guess is it hit hard enough to stretch the mounts and the side of the ski dented my chamber. your probably right about it not being likely to happen again.
with the urethane mounts do you think its likely to pull the inserts out?

the hood liner is cracked and the hood has completely separated from the liner.
from what i understand you think i need to remove the liner and re glass it in?
thank you Zack, i was hoping you would help me out Ive seen you ride and you go big my goal is to do the same.

 

[NVJAY775]

The bpipe issue looks different for sure as Matt said. Mine rubbed a little, mainly because the reinforcement ribs on the hull were rubbing the chamber. But nothing like your pics showed. I ground off the reinforcement rib thingies and turfed the hull where the exp chamber might touch and called it a day. No problems. I also played with the water box location and coupler to help keep the exp chamber away from the side of the hull.

 

[weston]

The bpipe issue looks different for sure as Matt said. Mine rubbed a little, mainly because the reinforcement ribs on the hull were rubbing the chamber. But nothing like your pics showed. I ground off the reinforcement rib thingies and turfed the hull where the exp chamber might touch and called it a day. No problems. I also played with the water box location and coupler to help keep the exp chamber away from the side of the hull.

the chamber does not rub much since i dented and fixed the chamber a couple a months ago. the mounts must have flexed enough to allow the pipe to smash in to the hull there is a pretty good mark from where it hit.
the chamber dented right where i reinforced the bond line it normaly has no contact in that area.
id like to run the rhaas urethane mounts but i don't want to trade one problem for another.
is it possible my mounts have gotten soft over the years? as far as i know they are original from 1996 when i pulled them out they don't look de-lamd or anything but they are soft.

 

[infamy]

i don't mean to be rude but....your sig shows your from FL arnt the waves small over there.

lol, did you see the size of that wave in his avatar ^

 

[tightithrash]

when i landed it snapped the front pipe coupler clamp it instantly had an exhaust leak ran like poo, so i had to bring it in.
my guess is it hit hard enough to stretch the mounts and the side of the ski dented my chamber. your probably right about it not being likely to happen again.
with the urethane mounts do you think its likely to pull the inserts out?

the hood liner is cracked and the hood has completely separated from the liner.
from what i understand you think i need to remove the liner and re glass it in?
thank you Zack, i was hoping you would help me out Ive seen you ride and you go big my goal is to do the same.

yeah man thats crazy that happened. ive seen coupler clamps break but definitely not actual damage to the chamber..... pretty crazy it must have been a very hard side landing judging from the fact that the hood linear blew out, the hood liner on the hull itself cracked, and the chamber bent....... seems like your already goin big buddy! hahah!!!

awesome carnage is the best and lets you know your pushing it. you know how the saying goes, if our not breaking stuff, your not trying hard enough HAHA! awesome.

i dont truthfully feel that the urethane rhass mounts will pull out your inserts. granted, i dont have them in my boat yet, but they WILL break at a certain point. it will have to be one gnarly crash for to happen plus they will send you a new one if it does in fact break.... but the fact that it WILL break, unlike the billet mounts that will never break.... id put more faith in the urethane mounts not pulling inserts over the billets 100%. time will tell but i feel you'll be ok.

when i was taking about ''re-enforce the sides underneath and to the top of our hood line and grind off the excess. hood lines are a problem spot so get it good the first time.'' iment on the hull itself. ive seen friends straight fill the gap between the overhang of where the hood rests on the hull to the side of the hull.

for the hood i wouldn't pull the rest of the linear off the hood unless its really bad. i would just lay glass around and re-enforce where the linear meets the hood and maybe re-paint so it looks sexy? ahahaha

no worries bud im here to share my knowledge (or lack there of) to help ya guys out to stay on the water. thanks for the kind words and we should share some waves next time im in Oregon.

 

[weston]

lol, did you see the size of that wave in his avatar ^

sure...........

yeah man thats crazy that happened. Ive seen coupler clamps break but definitely not actual damage to the chamber..... pretty crazy it must have been a very hard side landing judging from the fact that the hood linear blew out, the hood liner on the hull itself cracked, and the chamber bent....... seems like your already goin big buddy! hahah!!!

awesome carnage is the best and lets you know your pushing it. you know how the saying goes, if our not breaking stuff, your not trying hard enough HAHA! awesome.

i don't truthfully feel that the urethane rhass mounts will pull out your inserts. granted, i don't have them in my boat yet, but they WILL break at a certain point. it will have to be one gnarly crash for to happen plus they will send you a new one if it does in fact break.... but the fact that it WILL break, unlike the billet mounts that will never break.... id put more faith in the urethane mounts not pulling inserts over the billets 100%. time will tell but i feel you'll be OK.

when i was taking about ''re-enforce the sides underneath and to the top of our hood line and grind off the excess. hood lines are a problem spot so get it good the first time.'' iment on the hull itself. Ive seen friends straight fill the gap between the overhang of where the hood rests on the hull to the side of the hull.

for the hood i wouldn't pull the rest of the linear off the hood unless its really bad. i would just lay glass around and re-enforce where the linear meets the hood and maybe re-paint so it looks sexy? ahahaha

no worries bud I'm here to share my knowledge (or lack there of) to help ya guys out to stay on the water. thanks for the kind words and we should share some waves next time I'm in Oregon.

the hood is stressed cracked all over from learning to roll on flat nothing I'm worried about.
i have de-lamd the hood before and "fixed" it to me it seems like a design flaw that is difficult to remedy i think i will take the liner out and completely re glass it back in.

what about carbon for reinforcing? is there a benefit ?
i wouldn't say i went big, but that is all in prospective, big to me is well..... when I'm scared i know I'm going big. and scared i was not.
although there was enough time in the air to think aawh man this could be real bad.
I'm originally from nipomo (15 min away from pismo) my uncle has an "empty" house there, so yah we should hit some waves id like to ride with the LM crew.
hopefully all the guys that tried to get me to come down there last year didn't give up on me i haven't gotten an invite to shred the gnar for a while ...maybe its the weather idk.

 

[FlightPlanDan]

No doubt waves are smaller here. Rolls seem to be the hardest on hulls. (other than hitting bottom) BF attempts can crack your hood when you pancake etc....
My point was that the stock hull can put up with more than it's given credit for.
You don't really need to build a whole new ski to ride surf.

 

[weston]

have you been :sleeping:
i want to go big, I'm not the take it easy ride the waves kind of guy. i plan on learning back flips and so on.....
a totally stock ski could handle riding the surf but i NEED more than that.

 

[FlightPlanDan]

have you not :sleeping:
i want to go big, im not the take it easy ride the waves kind of guy. i plan on learning back flips and so on.....
a totly stock ski could handle riding the surf but i NEED more than that.

As do I.
I'm not giving advise based on airless riding.
I've cracked my hood on backflops. I've destroyed the nose and drive-train by lawn-darting.

These things will happen. I choose to fix it after it's broken.

 

[weston]

No worries bru.
different strokes....
i understand i will still brake things even on a surf built ski but id like to keep the wrenching/glassing to a minimum.
(do it ounce and keep up on maintenance)

would a tomski front nose piece keep the nose from braking or is it more of an "after the damage"kind of thing?
i understand that it would brake with or without in a big impact.
what I'm trying to say is has anyone lawn darted with one of these things ans without, and if so how well did it hold up with v.s without?

 

[FlightPlanDan]

No worries bru.
different strokes....

would a tomski front nose piece keep the nose from braking or is it more of an "after the damage"kind of thing?
i understand that it would brake with or without in a big impact.
what I'm trying to say is has anyone lawn darted with one of these things ans without, and if so how well did it hold up with v.s without?

I don't know. I glassed mine while waiting on other parts. But, I think, darting hard will break anything out there.

BTW: I'm no stranger to the west coast surf.

You can spend all you want to spend. There's no such thing as an indestructable ski.

 

[weston]

making my ski in to a surf should not be a costly build. only thing im buying is materials another bilge and tubbies.. well i gotta get another ride plate but whatever.
im not rich and money cant fix my problem exsperianced peoples advise my time and some glass should do the trick. thank for your "kind words"
happy christmas.

 

[Sanoman]

Dan goes BIG,watched him last year when Hurricane Bill came through.He is not a "take it easy" guy either.He beats the crap out of his ski man! Feel pretty comfortable he is giving some good advise.

Just my .02 cents worth......

 

[WAB]

I'm just a lowly east coast rider.

my suggestion:
get 2 types of cloth, one a heavy chop mat sewn to woven cloth for the flat-ish areas. like http://www.uscomposites.com/specialty.html
Other regular cloth (about 7-15 oz) to build up the curved areas (under the hood seal and your hood liner seperation) http://www.uscomposites.com/cloth.html

Fix your rideplate, or make a mold off of one.

 

[Crab]

yeah man thats crazy that happened. ive seen coupler clamps break but definitely not actual damage to the chamber..... pretty crazy it must have been a very hard side landing judging from the fact that the hood linear blew out, the hood liner on the hull itself cracked, and the chamber bent....... seems like your already goin big buddy! hahah!!!

awesome carnage is the best and lets you know your pushing it. you know how the saying goes, if our not breaking stuff, your not trying hard enough HAHA! awesome.

i dont truthfully feel that the urethane rhass mounts will pull out your inserts. granted, i dont have them in my boat yet, but they WILL break at a certain point. it will have to be one gnarly crash for to happen plus they will send you a new one if it does in fact break.... but the fact that it WILL break, unlike the billet mounts that will never break.... id put more faith in the urethane mounts not pulling inserts over the billets 100%. time will tell but i feel you'll be ok.

when i was taking about ''re-enforce the sides underneath and to the top of our hood line and grind off the excess. hood lines are a problem spot so get it good the first time.'' iment on the hull itself. ive seen friends straight fill the gap between the overhang of where the hood rests on the hull to the side of the hull.

for the hood i wouldn't pull the rest of the linear off the hood unless its really bad. i would just lay glass around and re-enforce where the linear meets the hood and maybe re-paint so it looks sexy? ahahaha

no worries bud im here to share my knowledge (or lack there of) to help ya guys out to stay on the water. thanks for the kind words and we should share some waves next time im in Oregon.

Both hoods like yours did the same thing as yours, stiill bonded somewhat in the front. We got them all appart and properly cleaned up, reglued them with mixed epoxy/cabosil paste and fabric where needed, 5200 above the latch where the two halves meet to flex with the brapstrap. Liner had some stress cracks from being thin and flexing, added some fabric over the cracks to reinforce from the back side, also clearanced mine for a blaster mod chamber....