ATS_Aaron
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Yes, exactly.
What happens IF factory pipe where to stop producing B-Pipes?
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Actually there a quite a few people doing exactly this. The problem is there are far too many closed minded people and to be totally honest, this is one of the better environments (forums) for new ideas too. When someone asks for opinions on ideas on how to make a new product work or posts a new product that was just designed, at least half the people (on average) instantly start hate bashing and talking about how it will never work and how the original poster is retarded for even thinking about it.
Granted a lot of the bashing comes from ignorance on both the bashers and the people with the ideas but I think we'd see a lot more ideas spring up if we'd support the people with the ideas a little better.
ATS_Aaron
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I think that is pretty interesting, especially considering the Power Factor Pipe looks like a type 9 chamber.
Aaron
wsuwrhr
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Awesome to read something from one of the greats.
I am saddened when I think of a world without a competive two stroke. People don't realize just what it takes. The engine itself is so simple but yet the package to make it work is so very complex.
The two stoke design is truely an irony of sorts. It is almost nothing without the pipe.
The fourstroke is so complex, so many parts, so much going on, so much wasted sh it. Double the displacement of a fourstroke to equal the same power of a two stroke.
I hink I will be done riding when I have to hang up my two strokes.
Good post ATS.
Brian
I am saddened when I think of a world without a competive two stroke. People don't realize just what it takes. The engine itself is so simple but yet the package to make it work is so very complex.
The two stoke design is truely an irony of sorts. It is almost nothing without the pipe.
The fourstroke is so complex, so many parts, so much going on, so much wasted sh it. Double the displacement of a fourstroke to equal the same power of a two stroke.
I hink I will be done riding when I have to hang up my two strokes.
Good post ATS.
Brian
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seatsR4toilets
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You mis-read what I said.
I inferred that if someone decided to start their own specialty parts company, that it WOULDN"T BE TO GET RICH. It would be more for the love and want of doing it.
That's what I was saying.
seatsR4toilets
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"Quite a few" is a relative term, I guess.
If I think of it the way you are, yes, there are. But not so much in metal castings, I guess.
Like heads.
And steering nozzles.
And metal rideplates.
And good high quality billet steering systems (think UMI for Blasters)
Some guys, but not a ton.
There is room for more with GOOD product.
seatsR4toilets
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How funny is it that he says the "Superjet B pipe" is STILL his biggest seller.
If I had to guess, that statement alone should pretty much end the question that started this thread.
As long as he want's to eat, my guess is he'll contine making us B Pipes.
If I had to guess, that statement alone should pretty much end the question that started this thread.
As long as he want's to eat, my guess is he'll contine making us B Pipes.
I think I get what you're saying now. That kind of stuff requires quite a large investment in application specific tooling. It sounds like what you're referring to would require a leap of faith and a prayer that you can find enough business to support yourself and your family. I was thinking of those people that are willing to drop some of their spare money on ideas in hopes to improve their own riding experience and hope to break even or make a little money on the side.
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wsuwrhr
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That was very cool to read.....
A 2005 Interview with Ross Liberty (owner? of FPP):
Who are you?:Ross Liberty
Where are you from? Currently, Ukiah CA
What's your age? 47
Marital Status? M
What do you do exactly, (be very specific, list titles, events, awards, or anything related to your skill). I make JetSki pipes!
What makes you different from others in the sport? They Don't make JetSki pipes.
What are your strongest and weakest points? I'm a workaholic but then again. . .I'm a workaholic!
How long have you been doing it for? I've been making 2 stroke exhaust systems since 7th grade but I just recently started making Jetski Pipes in 1978 for the first Kawasaki 400.
Why do you do what you do? I enjoy the technical challenges. Of course the shrinking market is not as fun and the IJSBA isn't helping Factory Pipe or any of the aftermarket folks these days.
Owned PWCs past and present: The OEMs generally supply test boats so I only own a SuperJet, a Polaris Matrix (neat boat!) and a Sea-Doo XPL.
Sponsorships/Endorsements: I'm generally on the other side of this equation.
Favorite Ride Location(s): Sawtooth mountain range, Idaho (Off road bikes)
Film/Movie: Book . . .Atlas Shrugged
Dream Car: NSX
(More Information Added March 26th 2005)
How did he wind up in Santa Rosa by the winery? I moved my family up here from SoCal when I was in High School.
Who's your wife? Loaded question. . .the girls in the ads, of course! (take your pick. . .it's your fantasy)
Where did you learn to make pipes and to tune PWC? Pretty much every pipe builder I know comes up with pipe specs by trial and error and when we get something that works we try it on every engine we test. For example, we came to the Type 9 pipe by cut and try (about 100 various pipes) and from there we put it on the Polaris Octane. It also worked well on the 800SXR as well but we went with a pipe spec that Darren Hedlund brought with him which was just as good.
Why don't you participate in any type of Forums? Never been invited. Probably because engineers (and wannabe engineers) are notoriously boring!
How well do you know the team mechanics? I know most of them pretty well and if they ride dirt bikes I know them VERY well!
Does you work with them hand in hand? My only interest has historically been exhaust system development that can be put into production so that limits my scope of involvement. So the ones I really spent time with were Darren, Lillean Beaumer (Nicholas Rius Racing), Bill Chapin (R and D) Dan Lamey and a few others.
Do you have input into the design or configuration of the pipes? Sometimes it's all them, sometimes it's a joint effort and Sometimes it is just us.
What manufacturers do you make pipes for? Currently the only folks in the game is Kawasaki but we work with the OEM snowmobile guys a lot and the Motocross teams like Pro Circuit, Bill's Pipes etc.
How many pipes a year are made? Jetski pipes are of course way down to just a few hundred a year.
Which pipe is the most common? Believe it or not the SuperJet "B" pipe is still our number one seller.
How much dyno time does an engine get in developing a set of pipes? Depends on the project, we literally spent a couple years testing nothing but Spec1 and Spec 2 Sea-Doo 785 pipes and on the other hand we only had to throw our Type 9 SuperJet pipe on an Octane to see it was good.
With two strokes going away, what is his next venue? OEM 4 stroke snowmobile currently and in the future. . .???
Any more developments in the fire? I've been considering handlepoles but still thinking about that one. Maybe Honda cars and the like.
A 2005 Interview with Ross Liberty (owner? of FPP):
Who are you?:Ross Liberty
Where are you from? Currently, Ukiah CA
What's your age? 47
Marital Status? M
What do you do exactly, (be very specific, list titles, events, awards, or anything related to your skill). I make JetSki pipes!
What makes you different from others in the sport? They Don't make JetSki pipes.
What are your strongest and weakest points? I'm a workaholic but then again. . .I'm a workaholic!
How long have you been doing it for? I've been making 2 stroke exhaust systems since 7th grade but I just recently started making Jetski Pipes in 1978 for the first Kawasaki 400.
Why do you do what you do? I enjoy the technical challenges. Of course the shrinking market is not as fun and the IJSBA isn't helping Factory Pipe or any of the aftermarket folks these days.
Owned PWCs past and present: The OEMs generally supply test boats so I only own a SuperJet, a Polaris Matrix (neat boat!) and a Sea-Doo XPL.
Sponsorships/Endorsements: I'm generally on the other side of this equation.
Favorite Ride Location(s): Sawtooth mountain range, Idaho (Off road bikes)
Film/Movie: Book . . .Atlas Shrugged
Dream Car: NSX
(More Information Added March 26th 2005)
How did he wind up in Santa Rosa by the winery? I moved my family up here from SoCal when I was in High School.
Who's your wife? Loaded question. . .the girls in the ads, of course! (take your pick. . .it's your fantasy)
Where did you learn to make pipes and to tune PWC? Pretty much every pipe builder I know comes up with pipe specs by trial and error and when we get something that works we try it on every engine we test. For example, we came to the Type 9 pipe by cut and try (about 100 various pipes) and from there we put it on the Polaris Octane. It also worked well on the 800SXR as well but we went with a pipe spec that Darren Hedlund brought with him which was just as good.
Why don't you participate in any type of Forums? Never been invited. Probably because engineers (and wannabe engineers) are notoriously boring!
How well do you know the team mechanics? I know most of them pretty well and if they ride dirt bikes I know them VERY well!
Does you work with them hand in hand? My only interest has historically been exhaust system development that can be put into production so that limits my scope of involvement. So the ones I really spent time with were Darren, Lillean Beaumer (Nicholas Rius Racing), Bill Chapin (R and D) Dan Lamey and a few others.
Do you have input into the design or configuration of the pipes? Sometimes it's all them, sometimes it's a joint effort and Sometimes it is just us.
What manufacturers do you make pipes for? Currently the only folks in the game is Kawasaki but we work with the OEM snowmobile guys a lot and the Motocross teams like Pro Circuit, Bill's Pipes etc.
How many pipes a year are made? Jetski pipes are of course way down to just a few hundred a year.
Which pipe is the most common? Believe it or not the SuperJet "B" pipe is still our number one seller.
How much dyno time does an engine get in developing a set of pipes? Depends on the project, we literally spent a couple years testing nothing but Spec1 and Spec 2 Sea-Doo 785 pipes and on the other hand we only had to throw our Type 9 SuperJet pipe on an Octane to see it was good.
With two strokes going away, what is his next venue? OEM 4 stroke snowmobile currently and in the future. . .???
Any more developments in the fire? I've been considering handlepoles but still thinking about that one. Maybe Honda cars and the like.
Boris
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Cool read and shows that FFP needs the b-pipe which means it will be around for quite some time.
wsuwrhr
Purveyor of the Biggest Brapp
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Did you not read a word I typed sir?
Few have, or want to, get stuck with, 30K (or more) worth of inventory, of anything right now.
Can't afford the capital inventment, can't risk the capital being tied up, can't risk anything, anymore than necessary, right now...period.
Brian
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wsuwrhr
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SB Products just spent 10K for material for billet 701 cases.
DASA just spent 15K, mainly for cylinder material and other smaller quantities for materials for the billet parts that we are low on inventory.
Let me tell you bud, we are both nervous hoping we can move enough product to cover costs and keep everyone paid.
Brian
DASA just spent 15K, mainly for cylinder material and other smaller quantities for materials for the billet parts that we are low on inventory.
Let me tell you bud, we are both nervous hoping we can move enough product to cover costs and keep everyone paid.
Brian
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seatsR4toilets
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People who aren't in business don't get just how scary a time this is right now, especially those in manufacturing.
It's very.....unnerving, to say the least.
It's very.....unnerving, to say the least.
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Yep...China is sucking us dry.
waxhead
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Interesting post from a while ago
Big Kahuna
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The irony!