KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
The rocker and tray width are pretty minor. The 105lb weight is good for surf as long as the strength is up to par. A heavily reinforced SJ is much heavier than that
Surfriding What's the best surf hull
- Thread starter Thejet
- Start date
ProSouth
Seriously, Don't be a dick.
- Location
- kawasakis suck
i didnt look at ross' in daytona, but it would be on my list, regardless. its not as short as some of the newer boats, but some people like longer skis. i'd like to ride one.
KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
I looked at it, rode it, and picked it up in Daytona. ProSouth, you need to stick to your plan for the other hull!
ProSouth
Seriously, Don't be a dick.
- Location
- kawasakis suck
what plan? i got a new one everyday
KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
Fixed steer Superfreak 1.5
Or just keep a pole on it but get the hull!
Or just keep a pole on it but get the hull!
BruceSki
Formerly Motoman25
- Location
- Long Island
Anything that would suit me would have to be similar to a Superjet but stronger/wider tray/built in tubbies or similar hull design(wide front like tubbies). I don't really care for rocker unless it has a great bow spray guard. Getting blasted in the face with salt spray the whole ride is not enjoyable to me. Shortened is okay as long as it doesn't ride nose high like a flatwater boat.
That being said, I haven't been on anything aftermarket in two years or so. Rode bob gen 1, 2. Rickter, carbon rickter, glass freak, -2 wammer RN, regular length wammer RN.
I felt most at home on the wammer or rickter. Carbon hulls in the surf feel funny to me. Almost get pushed around in the whitewater too much. I like a little weight on a surf boat. Helps keep fatigue down.
I came up with a 3/4 roll on flatwater on @ThatGuy rickter with 850 dasa SS and mag pump. Boat weighs in at the upper 300 lbs. mark. But I don't think I am the average aftermarket hull purchaser so my opinion is pretty useless here. Cost vs. benefit doesn't payoff in my mind.
That being said, I haven't been on anything aftermarket in two years or so. Rode bob gen 1, 2. Rickter, carbon rickter, glass freak, -2 wammer RN, regular length wammer RN.
I felt most at home on the wammer or rickter. Carbon hulls in the surf feel funny to me. Almost get pushed around in the whitewater too much. I like a little weight on a surf boat. Helps keep fatigue down.
I came up with a 3/4 roll on flatwater on @ThatGuy rickter with 850 dasa SS and mag pump. Boat weighs in at the upper 300 lbs. mark. But I don't think I am the average aftermarket hull purchaser so my opinion is pretty useless here. Cost vs. benefit doesn't payoff in my mind.
ProSouth
Seriously, Don't be a dick.
- Location
- kawasakis suck
i understand the weight thing in the surf, and i am NOT trying to bash fp1, but with that weight i would just go round nose with a slight rocker, -2 and a widened tray. oh, and bolt on tom21 sponsons. i dont know what all FP1 has done other than what we've listed, and it could be a lot more. we didnt really talk about that. super nice guy and looks perfect in the pictures. i still wouldnt rule it out, but i'd have to talk to h sharky some more about the other changes.
- Location
- Perth, Western Australia
love my fp1. love being able to throw a foot forward and surfride the s**t out of it. imo nothing looks shi**er than someone trying to surf waves with both feet in the kickers on these ultra short hulls nowadays that resemble woks more than skis. useless at cutting through chop and whitewash. The reason he hasn't made them ridiculously lightweight is pete wanted a surf hull that could take the abuse of what it's designed for.... Surf. Therefore lighter in weight less stronger. My mate bought the very first fp1 ever made from pete years ago that has seen australian soil more times than any one can count . It's been hucked of the seaworld kicker for god knows how long and there is not one single stress fracture on the thing it's ridiculous. There made to take an absolute beating
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I'm in Spokane and go to all the freeride events. I love my EVO and rode a lot of other hulls before making my decision. For surf both Rickter and Krash are your best choices, both make great hulls!
Sharky
www.fpjetskis.com
- Location
- Gold Coast Australia
Hey guys just thought i would add some details as few people have some misconceptions about my hull being just a rocketed super jet … 
its all good it does still resemble one with the lines..
The tray is about 3.5 inches wider than a superjet and the lifters go all the way to the out side of the tray so when in the lifters you are pretty far apart
The intake was widened to operate at higher speed and also the tubbies and front was reshaped
The rails where also halved on the front so they won't break when slamming the sand (just to note not one nose has been repaired on a FP1 ever from lawn darts)
the chines where reshaped slightly (more rounded not by much but just enough) the whole rail is rocketed not just the underside like the kits you buy , about 3 inches in fact
the ski is the same length as a an evo just by chance as the FP1 was built before the EVo came out
The mounts are all 100 % infused i know a few skis with battery trays that come out and some threads stripping in outer models.. all mine are fully sealed brass made for salt water
The ski has a built in splash guard
The hood has an inner lip areas and double seal
My ski will run around a race track as well as any race boat as i made sure the rocker was done at the right place … and it does have the set back pump so i feel its great for both small and big surf , as for the weight of the ski i find the best weight to be 45-50 KG as the lighter the boat the more they bob around and also get pushed around by waves.
Not everyone will like my hull as some guys like to slide around and not be able to bank a hard turn … you can't have a super stable wide boat and then also make it turn as hard as mine ….so the upside is the ability to outrun a wave and turn and hit the lip and do a turn where your elbow is nearly in the water but you can still flip it off i 1-2 foot wave… everyone will have the good and bad point of there hulls i could have made mine wider then they will bounce around and be more stable at lower speed and just doing little circles waiting to just do a flip or roll … i grew up slashing and carving waves… my hull takes a few rides to get used to as it changes direction so quickly … it requires set up and individual rider time to get used to it … we know have the choice as manufacturers and consumers to choice skis based on individual characteristics and performance .. mine are built to turn and to handle at speed other skis are easier to ride and more stable , some are shorter and easier to flip and spin… the best option i say to people is as the guy who has one and see where they came from and what they ride like now.. i know a lot of guys who ride pre 08 hulls and don't like my skis and went with rickets and Krash hulls , then there are guys who chose mine and don't like a Rickter and a Krash , its not saying they are bad its just they are different , i have a factory that just does all the infusion and parts and and the guy who assembles them is me and i am just happy to have someone come up to me and who has bought a hull from me and rides one of my hulls and say he or she loves there ski (as we have at least one girl who rides one KAT ) this is the only reason i ever built the FP1 as i was not happy with hulls that can't turn at speed or are two short and to hard to ride out of big 180's or reentries , i build surf skis and general recreational skis for carving around a lake and or doing rolls off boat wakes,
anyway i just thought i would say a few words on what is a passion for me and that is free ride surf jet skiing , i hope that people will ride mine and own them and say that it is "one of the best" as there are several great companies and choices now all offering there unique brand and ideas , the best thing to come out of all this in innovation and redevelopment as there is so many options its hard to stand out from the rest , i do that by word of mouth and build quality and a product , there was a phrase told to me by someone who i think is very relevant " price is forgotten long after quality is remembered "
Peter Mcloughlin
its all good it does still resemble one with the lines..The tray is about 3.5 inches wider than a superjet and the lifters go all the way to the out side of the tray so when in the lifters you are pretty far apart
The intake was widened to operate at higher speed and also the tubbies and front was reshaped
The rails where also halved on the front so they won't break when slamming the sand (just to note not one nose has been repaired on a FP1 ever from lawn darts)
the chines where reshaped slightly (more rounded not by much but just enough) the whole rail is rocketed not just the underside like the kits you buy , about 3 inches in fact
the ski is the same length as a an evo just by chance as the FP1 was built before the EVo came out
The mounts are all 100 % infused i know a few skis with battery trays that come out and some threads stripping in outer models.. all mine are fully sealed brass made for salt water
The ski has a built in splash guard
The hood has an inner lip areas and double seal
My ski will run around a race track as well as any race boat as i made sure the rocker was done at the right place … and it does have the set back pump so i feel its great for both small and big surf , as for the weight of the ski i find the best weight to be 45-50 KG as the lighter the boat the more they bob around and also get pushed around by waves.
Not everyone will like my hull as some guys like to slide around and not be able to bank a hard turn … you can't have a super stable wide boat and then also make it turn as hard as mine ….so the upside is the ability to outrun a wave and turn and hit the lip and do a turn where your elbow is nearly in the water but you can still flip it off i 1-2 foot wave… everyone will have the good and bad point of there hulls i could have made mine wider then they will bounce around and be more stable at lower speed and just doing little circles waiting to just do a flip or roll … i grew up slashing and carving waves… my hull takes a few rides to get used to as it changes direction so quickly … it requires set up and individual rider time to get used to it … we know have the choice as manufacturers and consumers to choice skis based on individual characteristics and performance .. mine are built to turn and to handle at speed
other skis are easier to ride and more stable , some are shorter and easier to flip and spin… the best option i say to people is as the guy who has one and see where they came from and what they ride like now.. i know a lot of guys who ride pre 08 hulls and don't like my skis and went with rickets and Krash hulls , then there are guys who chose mine and don't like a Rickter and a Krash , its not saying they are bad its just they are different , i have a factory that just does all the infusion and parts and and the guy who assembles them is me and i am just happy to have someone come up to me and who has bought a hull from me and rides one of my hulls and say he or she loves there ski (as we have at least one girl who rides one KAT ) this is the only reason i ever built the FP1 as i was not happy with hulls that can't turn at speed or are two short and to hard to ride out of big 180's or reentries , i build surf skis and general recreational skis for carving around a lake and or doing rolls off boat wakes,anyway i just thought i would say a few words on what is a passion for me and that is free ride surf jet skiing , i hope that people will ride mine and own them and say that it is "one of the best" as there are several great companies and choices now all offering there unique brand and ideas , the best thing to come out of all this in innovation and redevelopment as there is so many options its hard to stand out from the rest , i do that by word of mouth and build quality and a product , there was a phrase told to me by someone who i think is very relevant " price is forgotten long after quality is remembered "
Peter Mcloughlin
Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
Hey guys just thought i would add some details as few people have some misconceptions about my hull being just a rocketed super jet …
The tray is about 3.5 inches wider than a superjet and the lifters go all the way to the out side of the tray so when in the lifters you are pretty far apart
The intake was widened to operate at higher speed and also the tubbies and front was reshaped
The rails where also halved on the front so they won't break when slamming the sand (just to note not one nose has been repaired on a FP1 ever from lawn darts)
the chines where reshaped slightly (more rounded not by much but just enough) the whole rail is rocketed not just the underside like the kits you buy , about 3 inches in fact
the ski is the same length as a an evo just by chance as the FP1 was built before the EVo came out
The mounts are all 100 % infused i know a few skis with battery trays that come out and some threads stripping in outer models.. all mine are fully sealed brass made for salt water
The ski has a built in splash guard
The hood has an inner lip areas and double seal
My ski will run around a race track as well as any race boat as i made sure the rocker was done at the right place … and it does have the set back pump so i feel its great for both small and big surf , as for the weight of the ski i find the best weight to be 45-50 KG as the lighter the boat the more they bob around and also get pushed around by waves.
Not everyone will like my hull as some guys like to slide around and not be able to bank a hard turn … you can't have a super stable wide boat and then also make it turn as hard as mine ….so the upside is the ability to outrun a wave and turn and hit the lip and do a turn where your elbow is nearly in the water but you can still flip it off i 1-2 foot wave… everyone will have the good and bad point of there hulls i could have made mine wider then they will bounce around and be more stable at lower speed and just doing little circles waiting to just do a flip or roll … i grew up slashing and carving waves… my hull takes a few rides to get used to as it changes direction so quickly … it requires set up and individual rider time to get used to it … we know have the choice as manufacturers and consumers to choice skis based on individual characteristics and performance .. mine are built to turn and to handle at speed
anyway i just thought i would say a few words on what is a passion for me and that is free ride surf jet skiing , i hope that people will ride mine and own them and say that it is "one of the best" as there are several great companies and choices now all offering there unique brand and ideas , the best thing to come out of all this in innovation and redevelopment as there is so many options its hard to stand out from the rest , i do that by word of mouth and build quality and a product , there was a phrase told to me by someone who i think is very relevant " price is forgotten long after quality is remembered "
Peter Mcloughlin
So how does it handle flat water riding?
- Location
- Perth, Western Australia
- Location
- Perth, Western Australia
flatwater as chasing buoys matey ?? handles sweet. can rail mine harder than my superjet. let the weight of the backfoot however and thats another ball game haha. slidy as all hell. i am running a worx d though. and if your talking about freestyle. he also makes a fpx that is 100mm shorter again. never ridden one but theres a few videos on youtube of it in action
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Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
I don't care for the single purpose build hulls. Old school Flatwater. As long as I can roll it I am happy.
- Location
- Oceanside, CA
Got back from Mexico. Had a few people and top guys ride the Krash Predator. Every single person had this happen to them.
The ski is seriously fantastic.
The ski is seriously fantastic.
BruceSki
Formerly Motoman25
- Location
- Long Island
Ha. That gif is Great!
- Location
- northern illinois
Love my rickter Fs1 in the chopped out Great Lakes surf. Only wish it was alittle lighter for flat days but I still love it.
- Location
- United Kingdom
I had that gif moment happen to me when I moved from a SJ to a lightweight.
Liking how stable the Pred looks.
Liking how stable the Pred looks.
- Location
- Oceanside, CA
Here's the Krash Predator info thread
http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/krash-industries-predator-surf-hull.146053/
http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/krash-industries-predator-surf-hull.146053/