Super Jet Who is running epic hx3 on 61x?

[augustaf]

I suppose the fac fire was the worst. I've had good luck with several of the original Epics.

 

[waxhead]

To be honest I think the ones I did were close to the worst. I tried it for a while I was working with " horse power ignitions" and developing it. Cost me heaps. I ended up buying back pretty much every ignition I sold. I was not prepared to let other people take the hit for my faulty product

 

[OCD Solutions]

To be honest I think the ones I did were close to the worst. I tried it for a while I was working with " horse power ignitions" and developing it. Cost me heaps. I ended up buying back pretty much ignition I sold. I was not prepared to let other people take the hit for my faulty product

You have no idea how much respect you just earned with a statement like that. From me anyways.

 

[waxhead]

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You have no idea how much respect you just earned with a statement like that. From me anyways.

Thanks mate it was not good times for me then I tell you. I got stuck in the middle . HPI said just send them back and we will reprogram them and get them running again. they would last for a while then die again, Some people got good results other did not. hpi just said to me no refund as they all work when we reprogram them. I ended taking a box of them to the dump in the end. I wish atp had done the same for me when my ignition played up and I sent it back to them. I guess if you don't admit there is anything wrong with the ignitions then your not at fault.

 

[OCD Solutions]

I think you have to have pretty deep pockets to play that game, and long arms too. My buddy keeps telling me I need to develop one but there's not a chance in hell I want my pockets or arms anywhere near something like that. I have read your posts and in between the lines of your comments for years now and gathered it was not nearly as simple as it sounds.

I'm conflicted on the whole warranty expectation from ATP though. The one Epic in our group gave our buddy absolute fits and cost him a few thousand dollars all said and done. But, that same unit worked flawlessly in every other ski we swapped it into. Sadly it was destroyed, (battery hooked up backwards) before we could get to any resolution on it. So, from our experience, the issue was with the ski electronics themselves and not directly the EPIC. It's sad for my buddy but how do you claim a unit faulty and demand a warranty when it still works in 4 out of 5 skis? I have always maintained that it was a lack of RF shielding or filtering in the power circuit that made it extra sensitive to electrical "noise" but that's hardly any consolation. If nothing else, it would have been nice to find an external filter or some other fix so that the original version wasn't a total write off.

The good news is, the Gen1 EPIC happens to run flawlessly in my ski and spares are getting cheaper and cheaper!

 

[waxhead]

Do not do the ignition thing but even if you still decide to do it then base it on the 760 system that works awesome, you just need a lighter flywheel

 

[OCD Solutions]

After pulling out all the timing on my surf curve and still having plenty of power to spare, I'm all about modding the OEM CDI and running a TBM or lightened flywheel. I'll leave the programmable and TL units for the flatwater guys.

 

[waxhead]

I actually depotted a stock cdi and spent a lot of time trying to get a better curve in it as well, Would have been awesome I had a test rig all set up but it was not to be. If you could change the curve on the stock cdi I reckon you would be on a winner

 

[Quinc]

I actually depotted a stock cdi and spent a lot of time trying to get a better curve in it as well, Would have been awesome I had a test rig all set up but it was not to be. If you could change the curve on the stock cdi I reckon you would be on a winner

How did you get the potting out? Might be able to repair msd and epics this way or is that wishful thinking?

 

[waxhead]

i had some depotting solution its a pain in the but. I did a msd enhancer as well it has some major capacitors in that thing.
you can just google it and find the stuff.

However if you fix one then you take on the warranty, I would be hesitant to do that

 

[augustaf]

lots of money

 

[OCD Solutions]

I think I priced out that solution the last time you mentioned it and it was something like $75 for enough to unpot one CDI. Add up chemical cost, toxic risk and then your time, it's hardly worth it.

 

[augustaf]

I think you have to have pretty deep pockets to play that game, and long arms too. My buddy keeps telling me I need to develop one but there's not a chance in hell I want my pockets or arms anywhere near something like that. I have read your posts and in between the lines of your comments for years now and gathered it was not nearly as simple as it sounds.

I'm conflicted on the whole warranty expectation from ATP though. The one Epic in our group gave our buddy absolute fits and cost him a few thousand dollars all said and done. But, that same unit worked flawlessly in every other ski we swapped it into. Sadly it was destroyed, (battery hooked up backwards) before we could get to any resolution on it. So, from our experience, the issue was with the ski electronics themselves and not directly the EPIC. It's sad for my buddy but how do you claim a unit faulty and demand a warranty when it still works in 4 out of 5 skis? I have always maintained that it was a lack of RF shielding or filtering in the power circuit that made it extra sensitive to electrical "noise" but that's hardly any consolation. If nothing else, it would have been nice to find an external filter or some other fix so that the original version wasn't a total write off.

The good news is, the Gen1 EPIC happens to run flawlessly in my ski and spares are getting cheaper and cheaper!

Must have been the paint job! Wasn't Scott's ski red?

 

[OCD Solutions]

Yes! Blame it all on the red, lol.

 

[swapmeet]

All it takes is one TBM to spin on the crank and you won't want to do that again. $500 paper weight. Probably my fault, but if I do it with a lightened stock flywheel i'm only out what... $100?

 

[kevbo]

There is a few open source low draw cdi ignitions on the web. I will try to adapt one when I get more time.

 

[OCD Solutions]

All it takes is one TBM to spin on the crank and you won't want to do that again. $500 paper weight. Probably my fault, but if I do it with a lightened stock flywheel i'm only out what... $100?

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[Harbor]

@Ocd. My HX was giving me the hard cranking and engine kick back on start up issue. I've narrowed it to the HX or my stator..... My pulse coil is putting out 3v A/C while cranking. The only spec I can find is from JSS in a thread calling for 4 to 7 v A/C on the pulse coil.

You have some expertise here, I was wondering your opinion on my pulse coil output

Thanks

 

[swapmeet]

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So are you gonna tell me all your secrets or nah.

Mine spun the woodruff key in the keyway... So its a little different issue. But now you have me wondering if its repairable.

BTW, it looks like you just turned it so I can't see the area that was cracked.

 

[OCD Solutions]

Not really a secret but it was done on the down low. ScottS came to me about a year ago with the idea to sleeve the hub of his cracked TBM so we did it. At this point it's seen almost double the hours with the sleeve than without.

I have done 2 more with much more severe hub cracks since but I do not believe either owner has found the balls to run them yet. It's a risky venture but the alternative is accepting a $500 paperweight. The one owner had to weld up and repair the keyway prior to getting the sleeve done.