Freestyle Who wants actual dyno numbers?

[waxhead]

No it wont, the figures are not as big as every one proclaims and it will not help sales at all. There will be alot of disappointed people out there. I dont so much care what they make but what they make against other comparative engines so we can see whose is the best engine.

 

[Billybo455]

i'll tell you why. because none of the aftermarket wants any one to know. wsuwrhr. that was the best camouflage i'm a biotch answer i've ever seen in my life. dyno's aren't anything but a tool for tuning.. bullshiot. you think that's all they are for? they are also for shutting up ignorant people. how are you going to say it's pointless to setup a day with identical conditions to see which prevails.

don't get me wrong. dyno's are a wonderful tune for tuning. i spend days on the rollers setting up my cars. but to say it's only for tuning means you are afraid. since you got a setup right there why don't you do some on the spot testing? i'll ship out my motors. tell me what it costs?

 

[WFO Speedracer]

If I bring my lawnmower down can you dyno that also, Crammit says his lawnmower will smoke mine, its turning 5000 rpm on race gas,I say that his mower doesn't have enough torque to cut the big ass weeds in my yard and that torque is what matters, we need to settle this in a big kind of way. I think this might just do it !

 

[motoman96]

You can bet DASA or any other shiney overpriced motor company will ever see $1 of mine. They have the $$ to buy a dyno, but don't have the balls to post up what there stuff puts out? Get real, it's all hype. They really that ashamed of what $10k gets you of there product?!?

 

[waxhead]

Thats right Motoman.
Serioulsy if your going to show us pics of your full billet engine on a dyno you cant convince us you dont have a power output for it and the only reason I caan see you would not post it is clearly it doesnt go as high as you would like and it will not look very impressive at all.
Basically people have been sold big-bore engines as the 2nd coming, now while there is no replacement for displacement when you start comprimising other parts of the engine to get it there is. you can get big power and torque out of these engines but let have a look at this.
Factory pipe dyno there type 9 at 101 hp on a limited engine. Limited so would that be big carbs most likely a factory fire ignition, high compression etc.

all this stuff we are still running all we are doing is making the cases and cylinders flow more through smaller transfers ok maybe two extra unless you use a big bore dasa where they make more power with 5 transfers then 7 ??. can we get twice as much power through it to make close to 200. I dont think so.

 

[Aircraftsalz]

You guys are way to into this dyno thread... If I had to guess there's only 10% of us that really spend money on big dollar motors.. Some like Dasa, some like XS, some like jetworks and so on... We are going to buy regardless of what the dyno says, and buy from the builder we like or something we have tested or seen , etc....

Dyno numbers aren't going to make any builder sell more engines, also dyno's can be made to show just about anything to sugar up the results...

Guys that's complain about cost aren't buying high dollar 10k motors anyways....

Blake was just trying to setup a cool event....

The only motors we care about seeing results are big cc Dasa, eme. Power factor, and the other... It's never going to happen so it's just a feel between ours skis... Which comes back to setups in different hulls so the feel is never going to be fair to compare...

But at least our local group has one of everything with big brap so we get to compare all the time....

Get that big motor together Blake so we can add a new builder (PF) to the local list... Brap

 

[Jr Freestyle]

You can bet DASA or any other shiney overpriced motor company will ever see $1 of mine. They have the $$ to buy a dyno, but don't have the balls to post up what there stuff puts out? Get real, it's all hype. They really that ashamed of what $10k gets you of there product?!?

Why would they waste there money On a dyno, there motors perform really well. What does it really matter what hp # you get from a dyno machine . I've seen skis with there motors doing 20ft flat water tricks, what more do you need to know to believe its worth the cash

 

[waxhead]

Independendent testing on the same dyno. I agree most people here arent going to buy one and the manufactuers are not about to let some one else dyno there engines. If they lost the dyno test then they would lose alot of sales. Personaly I have built alot of billet engines and lamey old cast cylinder, there is no difference in power between the old cast cylinder and the billet. They all go well but do they go 8k better than a correctly ported 701, no they dont.

 

[waxhead]

Why would they waste there money On a dyno, there motors perform really well. What does it really matter what hp # you get from a dyno machine . I've seen skis with there motors doing 20ft flat water tricks, what more do you need to know to believe its worth the cash

Would you buy a crate engine off some one for 10k if it made less them another compaines engine for the same 10k
Of course not, that why it makes a difference you can see value for money

 

[Boris]

While peak numbers might look good on paper there is something that the dyno won't show and that is longevity.

Making a motor perform and last is key IMHO.

 

[Billybo455]

josh is right. i didn't start this thread in hopes of a monster derail only gil could cause. i seriously just wanted to see what the actual numbers were. i'm blowing more money on a motor then any hobbyist should. if it's weak wouldn't you like to know so you didn't make the same mistake?

 

[motoman96]

Why would they waste there money On a dyno, there motors perform really well. What does it really matter what hp # you get from a dyno machine . I've seen skis with there motors doing 20ft flat water tricks, what more do you need to know to believe its worth the cash

Well it's already been proven via pic's that they wasted there money for a dyno, yet refuse to give any #'s off it.

 

[Matt_E]

Independendent testing on the same dyno. I agree most people here arent going to buy one and the manufactuers are not about to let some one else dyno there engines. If they lost the dyno test then they would lose alot of sales. Personaly I have built alot of billet engines and lamey old cast cylinder, there is no difference in power between the old cast cylinder and the billet. They all go well but do they go 8k better than a correctly ported 701, no they dont.

The relationship between power increases and cost increases for that power is very rarely linear - and that applies to more than just jetskis.
You may not think it's 8k better (and I probably agree), but that's obviously subjective.

 

[waxhead]

Its not about how much they make as in so much as what they make in comparison to the other ones out there.
When you buy food at a shop you look at what in the food so you can compare what better. When you buy a car you compare specs to other cars specs. When you buy a billet engine you compare ?? heck what can you compare??? price ?????

 

[Billybo455]

there's no comparison between a well setup 5port vs 7 port motor. there's a company with 12ports in the sled world. they make 240ish hp.

 

[Matt_E]

Its not about how much they make as in so much as what they make in comparison to the other ones out there.
When you buy food at a shop you look at what in the food so you can compare what better. When you buy a car you compare specs to other cars specs. When you buy a billet engine you compare ?? heck what can you compare??? price ?????

I compare internet hype. :bigok:
Then I go with the least hype.

 

[motoman96]

Its not about how much they make as in so much as what they make in comparison to the other ones out there.
When you buy food at a shop you look at what in the food so you can compare what better. When you buy a car you compare specs to other cars specs. When you buy a billet engine you compare ?? heck what can you compare??? price ?????

Maybe anodizing colors?lol

 

[Billybo455]

I compare internet hype. :bigok:
Then I go with the least hype.

you've got the most hyped up hull on the market!

 

[motoman96]

there's no comparison between a well setup 5port vs 7 port motor. there's a company with 12ports in the sled world. they make 240ish hp.

You got a dyno sheet to back that up? LoL

 

[Aircraftsalz]

That dyno at Dasa was broken for some time... It's recently been repaired as far as I know

But to say a ported 62t /61x 701 or big bore can compare to a billet stroker motor your crazy... I'm the dick that has owned more skis and motors in 3 yrs then most will own in there life time... I know first hand what works and what needs some help... Yes I have seen great 62t/61x motors, I own 2 Jetmaniac motors that are very impressive for there size...

But there's no substitute for stroke , pv's and cc!

I think pics say 1000 words... Just like JR said above, look at all the big dog motors.... There going huge on FW, and that takes big brap my friends.... Like it or not 100hp isn't going to make that happen!