Yamaha Lightweight X-2 Version 2.0 - ***TOPDECK MOLD POPPED!!

The Penguin

The Penguin

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sorry to jack the thread - but is there a good site to learn about vacuum bagging and making forms for small parts (chin pads, ride plates, coupler covers, etc)?
 
ADDict

ADDict

I believe I've seen/heard Shawn talk about a composite forum he has been doing some bagging research on.. Could be making that up though.
 
shawn_NJ

shawn_NJ

Chasing waves.
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Daytona Beach
The Penguin said:
sorry to jack the thread - but is there a good site to learn about vacuum bagging and making forms for small parts (chin pads, ride plates, coupler covers, etc)?
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I have not found anything that great out there. Youtube has a few video's of bagging and resin infusion to get the general idea. Also there are a few small mold making videos. www.fiberglast.com has a okay forum. I also bought a few books on composite tooling. But the best way to learn is to get some cheap glass and just go for it. You need molds before you can bag parts, so thats where you have to start. For practice, I have dry run tested getting all the bagging supplies in place and getting it to seal and pull a good vacuum in a reasonable amount of time (easier said then done). Because once you have resin mixed the clock is ticking. Another thing to consider, the materials you end up throwing away after every layup get stupid expensive real fast. Being there is a pva layer, peel ply, perf release ply, bleeder cloth, bagging film, and expensive tape....that all go in the garbage after a layup! Throw in gloves, mixing cups, ect, ect... this is not a cheap to do. And if you screw up and trash something with carbon @ $50/yd...it really sucks. LOL
 
shawn_NJ

shawn_NJ

Chasing waves.
Location
Daytona Beach
tom21 said:
Since you only just touched on the subject and the way the pics move so fast from one stage to the next. I just want to stress for the novice- this is a MASSIVE undertaking. it takes forever to make things smooth and perfect and it has to be to make a good mold.

Very nice work and quality materials. It takes a lot of courage to drop that kind of money on a project like this without the benefit of knowing it will come out right.

If you are not a bodyman- you may want to find one to help you with the final block sanding to make sure its right.

Don't be so sure you won't be making these, there are alot of x-2 junkies who may twist your arm.

keep up the good work.
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Thanks Tom! I am actually looking to get some help with the final body work and polishing. I have it pretty damn close, but by no means is it 100%.
 
dbrutherford

dbrutherford

Parts Whore
Location
Fairmont, WV
Are you planning on using a seat on the hulls you pull from the mold? I was going to suggest reshaping the seat area so it looks better if you were not going to use a seat. I might also raise it ip a few inches if there was no seat.

Also will you be able to pull a part from the mold if that place on the hull where the steering bolts to. I am meaning the part og the hull that sticks out where the tip top of the seat goes. Just curious, I think you are doing a great job!
 
shawn_NJ

shawn_NJ

Chasing waves.
Location
Daytona Beach
dbrutherford said:
Are you planning on using a seat on the hulls you pull from the mold? I was going to suggest reshaping the seat area so it looks better if you were not going to use a seat. I might also raise it ip a few inches if there was no seat.

Also will you be able to pull a part from the mold if that place on the hull where the steering bolts to. I am meaning the part og the hull that sticks out where the tip top of the seat goes. Just curious, I think you are doing a great job!
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I'm going to lay 25mm pad down and turf it for a seat. If I had more time I might make some added changes, but I have enough work ahead making it work as is. Not worried about looks (I would not be riding an X2 if I did), just rideability. Also i sanded the top part of the steer tower flush to keep a posititve draft. (where it sticks out on the sides)
 
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Waternut

Waternut

Customizing addict
Location
Macon, GA
I'm really not that into X2's but I gotta say...You making a mold and creating your own hull is pretty awesome. If you have good results, I'm sure there are plenty of X2 riders that are interested in paying good money for you to make them one as well.
 
tom21

tom21

havin fun
Location
clearwater FL
shawn_NJ said:
I have not found anything that great out there. Youtube has a few video's of bagging and resin infusion to get the general idea. Also there are a few small mold making videos. www.fiberglast.com has a okay forum. I also bought a few books on composite tooling. But the best way to learn is to get some cheap glass and just go for it. You need molds before you can bag parts, so thats where you have to start. For practice, I have dry run tested getting all the bagging supplies in place and getting it to seal and pull a good vacuum in a reasonable amount of time (easier said then done). Because once you have resin mixed the clock is ticking. Another thing to consider, the materials you end up throwing away after every layup get stupid expensive real fast. Being there is a pva layer, peel ply, perf release ply, bleeder cloth, bagging film, and expensive tape....that all go in the garbage after a layup! Throw in gloves, mixing cups, ect, ect... this is not a cheap to do. And if you screw up and trash something with carbon @ $50/yd...it really sucks. LOL[/QUOTE]

This is why I keep looking at resin infusion. gives you all the time in the world to get setup before you even think about mixing resin, and if you get low you just mix more and pour in your supply bucket. I am not making hulls so as of yet I don't really have the need.

you ever notice how it looks really simple and easy when someone else is doing it? you might try and find someone to "help" with a vac project just to get all the small things you will need to figure out on your own. like you said no substitute for experience.
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its alot of trial and error with resin infusion.it will take a couple test peices to get your flow lines in the mold right so that i wets out fully.but once you got that figured out no more hrs and hrs of brushing and rolling
BTW great work stay at it
 
snowxr

snowxr

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Location
Waterford, MI
Resin infusion is great once you have the process worked out. Just have to be carefull to prevent air leaks. Having a pail of resin cuts down on the fumes, too vs. hand layup.
 

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shawn_NJ

shawn_NJ

Chasing waves.
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Daytona Beach
Flash-FX said:
Tired of SANDING yet? :ugh2:
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Ugh. I think duratec is lieing about "EZ Sanding".....bs! The small detail (read: hand) sanding is killing me. But look what showed up today to make my life alot easier!

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WFO Speedracer

WFO Speedracer

A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
Location
Alabama
That looks like a Fien Multimaster to me,not from a TV commercial and if you have to ask______________________________________________.
 
shawn_NJ

shawn_NJ

Chasing waves.
Location
Daytona Beach
vitalikol said:
is this from TV commertials ? does it's work good ? how much you paid for it ?
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Its a Fein Multimaster

I'll let you know how it works tonight, when I take it for its test run. I threw the blade attachment on and it cut the :):):):) out of anything I put it too with extreme accuracy and vengence. Very impressive.

Oh and it cost more then the Hull, UMI steering, waterbox, & seat you bought off me....LOL
 
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