Honestly l, this was a good thread, one we have not had many of until Andrew made his first comment, then Tony and James come in along with Skatingevan or what ever his name is (who after 2 warning which gave him a 24 hour vacation, which he has sense tried to create a 2nd account which really chaps my ass, may give him a permanent ban) and started firing back. Well, this thread went into the effing garbage can.... this site is almost 20 years old, honestly, I am getting tired of some of the childish BS that goes on from time to time... now, it is alot less than it use to be. But traffic is down due to the wild west (FB). At what point should I say Pluck it and just pull the plucking cord?