Custom/Hybrid Aftermarket Hull Registration and HIN Talk

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She said EME manufacture code was XXX (I dont remember) but meaning that an EME hin would start with those three. So I assume each manufacture has their own code and would use that on their RTR boats.

I found a link where you can look up each manufacturer and their assigned MIR #.
http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic1.aspx

I plugged a bunch of names in and these are the only companies I could find in the system.
Not too surprising since there's not very many companies offering ready to ride skis, but I was curious to see if any had applied as a sign of intent.

Eric Malone Enterprises = IFN
Ski Clinic = DLK
Wamiltons = UAA
Bullet = BWR
Bennelli = KHD
Rius Racing Inc = RRI
Wetjet = WET
 
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Alright, I finally found the smoking gun!!!!!!!

Suck on page 3 of this Karen at SCDNR!!!
http://www.uscgboating.org/assets/pdf/recalls/BSC85_1.pdf


As per page 3 of USCG Boating Safety Circular 85 published in March of 2007

BOATS VS. BARE HULLS

A bare hull is not a boat:

- A bare hull manufacturer has no way of knowing the eventual weight of the finished boat (necessary for determining safe loading information and any required volume of flotation material).
- A bare hull manufacturer has no way of knowing whether the finished boat will be powered by an outboard or an inboard and whether the fuel used will be gasoline or diesel.
- The bare hull manufacturer does not install navigation lights.
- If the finished boat is later recalled for failure to comply with an applicable Coast Guard safety standard or for a defect which creates a substantial risk of personal injury to the public, the bare hull manufacturer should not be legally responsible for defect notification and correction (unless, of course, such a defect involved complete hull failure).

Bare hull manufacturers are not boat manufacturers.

There are no Coast Guard safety standards or regulations which apply to a bare hull. Therefore, a bare hull manufacturer should not:

(1) affix a HIN, because the Manufacturer Identification Code in an HIN affixed to a boat identifies the entity that is legally responsible for construction of the entire boat -- not just the hull;
(2) affix a certification label;
(3) affix a U.S. Coast Guard Maximum Capacities label; or
(4) install flotation.

The Flotation Standard is predicated on the assumption that a manufacturer has performed certain tests in accordance with the Safe Loading Standard. Since these tests are not performed on bare hulls, then logically, there is no regulation requiring a bare hull manufacturer to install flotation material.

Instead, the individual or company that buys a bare hull is subject to the regulations. The individual who buys a bare hull to complete for his or her own use would obtain a Hull Identification Number from the State where he or she resides.

A company engaged in the business of assembling a bare hull and an engine package would be the one that should apply for a MIC, assign the Hull Identification Number and, if necessary, build the boat to comply with applicable Coast Guard safety standards and regulations.

The Recreational Boating Product Assurance Division recognizes that there are boat manufacturers with Manufacturer Identification Codes who manufacture both finished boats and bare hulls. The finished boats must be built to comply with the regulations; however, the bare hulls they sell for completion by individuals or other companies should be free of HINs or other compliance labels.
 

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Well, I submitted all my paperwork back on April 9th and have been patiently awaiting a response ever since. I finally called in last week to see what the hold up is and they informed me that they have not received any paperwork from me at all. :banghead:

So, I had to print out all my documents again as well as fill out all the forms again and resubmit. I also had to put a stop order on my last check.

Thank you USPS for losing my package!
 

Draggingto

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That really sucks. I can't believe the hoops you have had to jump through to get your ski titled/registered.

Have you still been riding it in the mean time?
 

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Hell yeah! I have it stickered like it is my old hull which is why I am being so patient. I have all the paperwork and reg stickers to show I'm good till the end of 2016. The only way I get in trouble is if me and WAB get checked on the same day and they figure out we have the same HIN. :sneaky:

I am pretty sure I actually don't need any numbers or anything if I can show documentation that I have submitted for registration and am awaiting a response. I just feel it's easier to throw a set of numbers on and avoid scrutiny altogether than it is to explain myself on a boat ramp to a DNR agent.

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So, after 7 months and 2 applications, I finally have my ski titled and registered as a 2013 Trinity Composites. They left the model blank though so not doesn't say it's a Matrix.

It turns out that they did receive my first application but I calculated the tax value wrong and so the check was not for the correct amount. Rather than call me or mail it back, they just sat on it. They also failed to mention it when I called in and asked about it.

Oh well, it's all done now... Just in time to get it all transfered to a Georgia title and registration.
 
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sjetrider

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buy a cheap sit down or SN and register the dayum thing, remove the HIN and put them on your AM build, saves time $ and lots of freakn head aches. The CG or WR will not know nor care what the differances are.
Its retarted how difficult they can make this on you. Even if local WR awards you HIN's USCG can confinscate and ticket you because your boat does not display propper weight ratings and other crap they are looking for.
in the end its the same result should they (USCG or WR) chose to persuit the issues.
 

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Yes you can do it that way too but that's not the point of this thread. This thread is here for people who wish to do it the right way and are interested in what it takes to get done in different states.
 

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buy a cheap sit down or SN and register the dayum thing, remove the HIN and put them on your AM build, saves time $ and lots of freakn head aches. The CG or WR will not know nor care what the differances are.
Its retarted how difficult they can make this on you. Even if local WR awards you HIN's USCG can confinscate and ticket you because your boat does not display propper weight ratings and other crap they are looking for.
in the end its the same result should they (USCG or WR) chose to persuit the issues.


== FELONY and grounds for immediate confiscation without ever getting it back. Yeah, the chance is pretty damn small, but why take it?
 
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Frosty

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Western New York
I finally go around to doing my Foot Rocket.

New York State - form on the NYS Dept of Parks and Recreation - Marine Law - file for a HIN - requires 2 8 x 10 photos to be mailed in. Wait a few weeks, check on line. Once approved called the number listed (it will be the local Sheriff Marine Patrol). They will have you bring the ski in for a quick inspection and give you the new HIN numbers. They will etch it into the hull unless you make your own number plate (i made mine from aluminum flat stock and had it engraved).

after that, they will give you the form you need to register your ski as an AM hull.

was pretty simple actually.
 
I finally go around to doing my Foot Rocket.

New York State - form on the NYS Dept of Parks and Recreation - Marine Law - file for a HIN - requires 2 8 x 10 photos to be mailed in. Wait a few weeks, check on line. Once approved called the number listed (it will be the local Sheriff Marine Patrol). They will have you bring the ski in for a quick inspection and give you the new HIN numbers. They will etch it into the hull unless you make your own number plate (i made mine from aluminum flat stock and had it engraved).

after that, they will give you the form you need to register your ski as an AM hull.

was pretty simple actually.


Didn't your Footrocket come with a HIN number molded into the hull? Mine did.
 

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Mine was pretty simple too. Two forms, one letter of intent, four pictures and a check for $370. They just took 7 months to process it.

Casual Excise tax = $300
Application fee = $40
Title Fee = $30

The process in South Carolina is actually pretty decent, they just suck at the execution of it.

Don't get me started on the casual excise and property tax system they have down here either. Property tax on a ski is about $100 a year.
 
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OCD Solutions

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Didn't your Footrocket come with a HIN number molded into the hull? Mine did.

Was that a HIN or a serial number? Unless it was sold as a complete RTR boat, it should not have come with a HIN. At least that's the North American standard. They could be different if they are imported by a company outside of the US.
 
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