Competition Questions

[Frosty]

you pre define all the tricks there will be no guessing at all. You will have the tools you need to make the right call.

Also, it make the judging more consistant

Very cool bro... the score sheet for each rider is then just a check list of tricks more or less.

 

[FL-cracker]

you need to avoid rules that demand a functional pole like the Pismo comp had. let the conversion ski's, x2's and blaster have a chance to enter too.

I agree with that:beerchug:

Here are my thoughts....

Pro class....$100 entry fee....50% payback.. 1 spot for every 5 riders.....

10 riders = $500 pay back.... 1st=$300...2nd=$200

15 riders = $750 pay back.....1st=$350...2nd=$225...3rd=$175

Am class...$50 entry fee...0 payback... trophies/plaques for top three.

Trick requirements will only keep some people from giving comp a try. Some people can rip, but have never done a role.

Judging.....Style, cleanliness of landing trick, amplitude, diversity of tricks.

No rules, just ride!

2 cent

 

[Crab]

Riley had been working on a re-write of freestyle rules, perhaps something in here would help Pete/Nick. http://www.jetskinews.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=4385

 

[yamaslut]

i like what i hear so far.

who would do the actual judging/scoring tho? it's such a small world, how do you keep it impartial?

we would need deticated individuals to do this... even if we didn't, the idea of have a list of tricks makes the judge better understand what is happening and how to judge it.

I like the idea of giving them a standardized laminated judging sheet w/ (dry erase markers) and a list of tricks so they mark em off as the person completes the trick. then beside it you can give it a point value..

 

[Proformance1]

You guys are definitely on to something here! I agree with the Gymnastic "style" of judging. TXJFrosty and I have discussed this before, and we were thinking that this was the only way to do it objectively. Sounds like it will be a great time. Sign me up! :biggthumpup:

 

[yamaslut]

a good idea I saw to prevent sand bagging at a wake board comp was to limit inverts. something like this:
beginner/grom - none
novise - 2
expert - unlimited

If a rider did more than 2 inverts his score was pushed up to expert level.

very good idea

 

[yamaslut]

I agree with that:beerchug:

Here are my thoughts....

Pro class....$100 entry fee....50% payback.. 1 spot for every 5 riders.....

10 riders = $500 pay back.... 1st=$300...2nd=$200

15 riders = $750 pay back.....1st=$350...2nd=$225...3rd=$175

Am class...$50 entry fee...0 payback... trophies/plaques for top three.

Trick requirements will only keep some people from giving comp a try. Some people can rip, but have never done a role.

Judging.....Style, cleanliness of landing trick, amplitude, diversity of tricks.

No rules, just ride!

2 cent

that's exactly what we don't want... you are missing the point.

 

[WaveDemon]

It may not be... there are only so many tricks we are pulling in the surf. Maybe 10 w/ variations... that would be very easy to break down and disect

ok I'll start the list.
areials:
flip
roll
flair
stab
can-can
nac-nac
side winder
superman
indian air
nose grap
tail grab
nothing
heal clicker
no hander
cliff hanger
cordova
re-entries


I'm sure there are a few more. you'll need to figure in combos and variations and landings (no/one hander). is a no handed can can worth more than a nothing? probably. is a can can to superman worth less than a double can can? I'd think so.


maybe this would be good for you guys to review.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freestyle_Motocross

 

[FL-cracker]

I just meant no rules on the boat your riding. No max cc's, light weight hull limits or whatever. Not free for all like your event slut j/k

 

[GDFL]

I just had half a thought. To encourage trick diversity, judge all the tricks as proposed earlier and then also make a percentage of the final score be trick diversity. That way you could still get your points for doing nothing but no handed barrell rolls, but the guy that did a those plus a little bit of everything else could get a score that reflected a more complete run.

 

[yamaslut]

I just meant no rules on the boat your riding.

oh like motor, and hull limitations?? No, I'm not for keeping the aftermarket guys out of this... they are what feed the sport

Run what you brung... I'm even open to B1's and of course X-2's and Conversions... (that is just an idea, you guys will have to decide that)

This is a freestyle competition in the surf... you pull a backflip on a B1, Sj, whatever, it scores the same...

 

[WaveDemon]

i'd also suggest scoring on a scale of 100 instead of 10. it lets you add small points for amplitude and cleanlyness of the trick.

 

[Powder]

I really dig the idea of classes with predetermined set of tricks with scoring values. This would make someone like me more likely to compete knowing I am not up against the surfgods. I think the expert level should be open and allow for the scoring of new inventive moves and variations on existing moves. This is where you see the come from behind pull a move out of your a55 to pull ahead for the win stuff. Also since it is surf there is no need to have bogus rules like no 799.314159265358979cc motor with no more then 22.7456832 degree advance between 400 and 4500 rpm etc. like flatwater. IN surf the monster motors are almost a detriment so a “run what you brung” system will work well in my opinion.

 

[WaveDemon]

now this is nuts, but what do you think about something like letting the guy that draws 1st run, get a 2nd run at the end.

big problem with flatwater comps now is that the 1st guy always gets screwed. the scoring tends to go higher and higher with successive competitors.

or you could let everyone have 2 runs, and they keep their best scored run. that would be very nice as it lets everyone go once, and the judges get a feel for the scoring. you dont have the 1st guy lower score problem.

this is why people in flatwater comps never want to draw 1st or 2nd run.

multiple runs are how other similar sports do it. I think that's a good idea too. You could do it snake order to, 1-10 then 10-1 or just re-draw after the first run.

 

[yamaslut]

now this is nuts, but what do you think about something like letting the guy that draws 1st run, get a 2nd run at the end.

big problem with flatwater comps now is that the 1st guy always gets screwed. the scoring tends to go higher and higher with successive competitors.

or you could let everyone have 2 runs, and they keep their best scored run. that would be very nice as it lets everyone go once, and the judges get a feel for the scoring. you dont have the 1st guy lower score problem.

this is why people in flatwater comps never want to draw 1st or 2nd run.

making a list of compulsory tricks will make the judging much more consistant. I say draw for the positions then invert the field for second round

 

[yamaslut]

multiple runs are how other similar sports do it. I think that's a good idea too. You could do it snake order to, 1-10 then 10-1 or just re-draw after the first run.

jinx :Banane01:

 

[WaveDemon]

jinx :Banane01:

I owe you a coke... or a beer.

 

[yamaslut]

I owe you a coke... or a beer.

Tucher Heffe... Dunkels

 

[Idok]

sounds great! Im in if you make the stab worth 100 points!

 

[yamaslut]

sounds great! Im in if you make the stab worth 100 points!

10 points for your stabs... even if we score em at 100
:woot: