DIY Total loss or MSD TL upgrade box 270USD?

Christian_83

Christian_83

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Okai, so i was on the phone with Borut regarding the MSD components. He couldnt get a reading on the MSD Pickup. The resistance was 0ohm, the inductance was super super low to (2 pickups)
He messaured it as 2 wire hall, nothing.
So we agreed to go forward with the PDCI-23-HALL box (2 pickup and 2 coils)
He messaured the MSD ignition coil, and it was good to go for the Zeeltronic box :)
So a box should be on on the way to Denmark very soon. Next step is to draw and machine adapter plate to mount hall sensor to the MSD pickup plate. Then swap MSD pickup for hall and MSD for PDCI-23-HALL.
Excited to see how it works out. :)
 
Quinc

Quinc

Buy a Superjet
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Christian_83 said:
Okai, so i was on the phone with Borut regarding the MSD components. He couldnt get a reading on the MSD Pickup. The resistance was 0ohm, the inductance was super super low to (2 pickups)
He messaured it as 2 wire hall, nothing.
So we agreed to go forward with the PDCI-23-HALL box (2 pickup and 2 coils)
He messaured the MSD ignition coil, and it was good to go for the Zeeltronic box :)
So a box should be on on the way to Denmark very soon. Next step is to draw and machine adapter plate to mount hall sensor to the MSD pickup plate. Then swap MSD pickup for hall and MSD for PDCI-23-HALL.
Excited to see how it works out. :)
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Why not ditch the plate and fit it all into the oem ebox?
 
Christian_83

Christian_83

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Quinc said:
Why not ditch the plate and fit it all into the oem ebox?
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The original intention of "my idea" was to run a Zeeltronic box as a direct replacement of MSD TL brain (use MSD pickups, pickup plate, flywheel and MSD coils)
Since the 760 OEM setup has a great working zeeltronic box, the MSD was "my" first priority.
So now we need to switch the MSD pickups for hall sensor (wich is roughly 1/10 the price of MSD pickup, so thats nice)

AND when ever time will allow it, i talked with Borut about doing some testing on a 62T stator setup with a Zeeltronic box, so any superjet could get a zeeltronic box without adapting 760 electronics :)
 
Req

Req

Location
SW Tenn
I have been researching the different models of zeeltronic boxes and the feature sets. I am mildly interested in water injection and was looking at the power jet setup and it seems a parameter is missing for us to use it for water injection effectively. It has RPM on and off trigger points however it does not have pwm output or control. I would think the ability to plot a pwm curve based on rpm values would be more beneficial for tuning the exhaust. If its a feature that is beneficial for water injection is that something zeeltronics would be receptive to adding?
 
MTRHEAD

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waxhead said:
No there is a correction in the software for this. It's an option in the software
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waxhead said:
If your going to tell me im only doing half a job then your going to get a reaction, what did you expect. But lets say i got it wrong and leave it at that. I do not think I am the only person who has played with these at all, Im just offering up my experience. As far as i am concerned its an open source and every one stands to gain from it. Lets make this thing the cheapest and most reliable total loss out there
Yes your right about using it to turn on water injection, While i dont use water injection i was using it to turn on my fuel pump and my bilge pump its very versatile on my triple yamaha, This model ignition does not come with those functions and its plug and play but the igniton in my world finials 550 i am building has all those functions in it of which i am using some.
We can argure all day about what is the wrong and the right way to set up an ignition this has worked fine for me over the years i have been doing it.
The flywheel and pickup placement determines the static not me. I only set it to what yamaha chose to set it to. I have had a timing light on the stator and had no issues with fluctaion. If i was reving to 14000 this may be an issue but not that the 8000 we rev to.
Yes i have found it is 56 degrees static, the kawasaki is 50 degrees from memory.
Please make a plate up and show me the difference i am genuinely interested to see, I have never had an issue with it. I will however send borut a message and ask if its a problem at the lower rpm we pull, He is very responsive on face book
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Kawasaki pickup is at 54 degrees - I've been saying this for sometime and it's wrong the OEM pickup is 47 I believe. I have had over the years a bunch of special covers and cdi
s that were set up at 54. My bad - its 47
 
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maxboost

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Req said:
I have been researching the different models of zeeltronic boxes and the feature sets. I am mildly interested in water injection and was looking at the power jet setup and it seems a parameter is missing for us to use it for water injection effectively. It has RPM on and off trigger points however it does not have pwm output or control. I would think the ability to plot a pwm curve based on rpm values would be more beneficial for tuning the exhaust. If its a feature that is beneficial for water injection is that something zeeltronics would be receptive to adding?
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I’ve asked the same question and I’ve been told there is a model with a tach output that would most likely be able to run a ecwi module, but a pwm output would be cooler
 
Req

Req

Location
SW Tenn
maxboost said:
I’ve asked the same question and I’ve been told there is a model with a tach output that would most likely be able to run a ecwi module, but a pwm output would be cooler
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I think it would be great if zeeltronics could reflash one of these boxes so we could have built in control of the solenoids via pwm instead of a slaved MSD box. I imagine it all depends on if they have a pwm chip on the silicon. Additionally it would be cool if we could save it under the ignition map so if we wanted to have different ECWI curve we could switch it just like if we had dual ignition curves.
 
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wannabe backflipper
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gold coast
MTRHEAD said:
PDCIS-02T isn't listed on the website? is this special to fit into the Yamaha box / wires?
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Yes it is a revised version of the pdicis-01t
it has a latching stop so when you hit stop it stops instantly unlike the other one where you had to hold your finger on the button
It also has a much less current draw in stand by mode
 
MTRHEAD

MTRHEAD

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MotorCity
waxhead said:
Yes it is a revised version of the pdicis-01t
it has a latching stop so when you hit stop it stops instantly unlike the other one where you had to hold your finger on the button
It also has a much less current draw in stand by mode
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Thanks - I have been disconnecting my negative cables since 1989 after a day of riding. So never have to worry about draw or mysterious issues.

Never had an MSD failure either - ever. (Total loss box)
 
circafwsk8r

circafwsk8r

Location
michigan
Look back through the thread again someone was saying they had a connection in the states. I ordered one a while back looks to be about 3-4 week lead time
 
Req

Req

Location
SW Tenn
Roseand said:
Looks like I've got one on the way!
Now to decide whether or not to knock the magnets out...
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Or you could start with magnets then knock them out if you want more response. It would be interesting to get the A-B comparison while using the same ignition curve.

Do we know if any US distributors will be getting there hands on the PCI-2? I plan on picking one up this winter and would rather buy from someone in the states.
 
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