French hull discussion

[infamy]

from the pics the nose, pole area, hood, rails, and rocker are completely different from a Rickter, not to mention the other million things that we can't see... so, just because this guy copies the adjustable footholds he's a thief and a discredit to builders???

like I said earlier... no nothing whiners!!!!

lol, the irony!

 

[loictahiti]

:lame:

if the guy took a mould off a rickter fair enough.. did he?

has anyone here physically seen this ski? no

its already been shown that there are differences

if there was a copyright on the rickter or any other product, someone only has to change one thing about it to get by the copyright

a rickter/lenzi/rok hull they all look similar so they are all copies of each other?

many manufactures have made sj splashes... i have a wcf hull, its a sj splash as is a xft, wammer etc... i dont see the bash fests for them.. pretty sure they probably all started by taking a mould off of a supejet hull

i dont see 5 pages of bashing on the bob thread... which could be argued as a 300sx splash

there are many a/m parts that could qualify as copies, from ride plate, grates, steering, poles etc etc

im playing devils advocate a little here...

if you dont like it dont buy it.. simple.. seems unless someone on here has all his "buddies" on here bumping it up then it must be a copy cat and should be bashed until its banished

come on.. give this guy a break

personally i welcome people looking to give options to us, most of us have enough brain capacity to make up our own minds

mods.. you should really think about cleaning up this thread with all the post dumping

+1 I'm aggree whis you

 

[Big Kahuna]

:lame:

if the guy took a mould off a rickter fair enough.. did he?

has anyone here physically seen this ski? no

its already been shown that there are differences

if there was a copyright on the rickter or any other product, someone only has to change one thing about it to get by the copyright

a rickter/lenzi/rok hull they all look similar so they are all copies of each other?

many manufactures have made sj splashes... i have a wcf hull, its a sj splash as is a xft, wammer etc... i dont see the bash fests for them.. pretty sure they probably all started by taking a mould off of a supejet hull

i dont see 5 pages of bashing on the bob thread... which could be argued as a 300sx splash

there are many a/m parts that could qualify as copies, from ride plate, grates, steering, poles etc etc

im playing devils advocate a little here...

if you dont like it dont buy it.. simple.. seems unless someone on here has all his "buddies" on here bumping it up then it must be a copy cat and should be bashed until its banished

come on.. give this guy a break

personally i welcome people looking to give options to us, most of us have enough brain capacity to make up our own minds

mods.. you should really think about cleaning up this thread with all the post dumping

This is not a for sale thead. As far as post dumping goes in this on, then every thread on this site would need cleaned up...........

 

[steve-uk]

This is not a for sale thead. As far as post dumping goes in this on, then every thread on this site would need cleaned up...........

this was on the thread in the new products section until Matt E cleaned it up and put this "discussion" here...which is what i was suggesting

was previously in this thread http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/84177-News-hull-made-in-france

 

[waterfreak]

HAHA, if they did that to every thread, the X woule no longer exist....

Azzholes and opinions abound on the interweb...

Hey!! , isn't this Charlie's master plan!! lol

 

[snowxr]

Ok, glad to see the topic cleaned up and placed here. I'll be blunt. I was harsh, and have an opinion. I had heard just a week or so before the french hull was posted here that the rickter had beed splashed, and a slightly changed version was coming. When the o.p. then claimed to have done ALL the development himself (by chopping a SJ hull) I just thought "wait a second there....". Making a mold off a Rickter isn't the end of the world, and making changes could give it your own spin. But don't flat out lie about it. I'll even play the other side of the agrument. I have a topdeck mold, and it's not exactly the same as a RN...BUT I started with a RN and gave it my spin. I'm not pissed that the guy is making a hull. I'm pissed that it's too good at mimicking a rickter's shape and unique features to be an independantly developed design like the builder says.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

well, with the way the design of these new backy hulls are going, with the handlepole bracket as far forward as they are, rockers, etc... there isn't much you can do in the way of designing a mold that leaves room for "individuality". :dunno:

 

[3rid]

guys,

there is 2 french websites http://forum.elprofessor.com/index.php?topic=17234.0 and http://www.jetparadise.net/pimp-my-...-pour-fabrication-de-coque-by-fredo-t2217.htm
so you can see all the build details on this hull and the enormous amount of work that went through the design of this hull...

Even if you don't speak that language go through the pics and see it by yourself...

just one picture extracted from this build... should clear up all the haters saying it's just a copy...

Nice job... as with all the other projects on this forum !

 

[Boris]

Even if this was a direct splash of the Rickter that weighed the same as a Rickter and cost the same as a Rickter, so what ?
Maybe there would be enough improvement in the layup and the construction methods used to make this hull ready to run without the need for additional re-enforcement. Wouldn't that be worth something ??
Hard to tell from a picture or 2 IMO.

 

[restosud]

some just won't give up will they?
now he's being called a liar.see post #66.gets better and better.
let us know when your next exact copy cat reproduction part comes out so we can tear into it as well.
haters without a cause i tell ya!

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

like I said, we might as well rip into blowsion, x-metal, and everyone that manufactures a billet finger throttle. they're all obviously "splashed" from the same mould.

 

[snowxr]

some just won't give up will they?
now he's being called a liar.see post #66.gets better and better.
let us know when your next exact copy cat reproduction part comes out so we can tear into it as well.
haters without a cause i tell ya!

After seeing more info I'm glad to be proven wrong (although that means that someone else out there has splashed a Rickter). I'm not sure yet when my next new part will arrive, but please tear it to shreds. Your grudge against me has been going for close to 3yrs now. Commendable.

 

[restosud]

no worries and no grudge either here.
just that as a pro of this business you know better than to pick on stuff .it's just an extention of the courtesy others may have towards you.
i do think your sarcasm sometimes gets the better of you on topics which should not even register on your radar.
and do appreciate your edited comment .

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

wasn't Kurt the first to make a titanium nose bracket? :dunno: I don't think he copied anyone's design.

 

[restosud]

titanium nose bracket?
what it is?

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

titanium nose bracket?
what it is?

http://www.xr-tech.com/

 

[restosud]

thought it was 1/8"stainless?

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

Not sure, it's been awhile, but I think it's Ti. maybe he made two different types. :dunno: just saying, he definitely didn't copy anyone else part, unless you count fitment dimensions, which that's the only way you can make one, and it be usable on an already manufactured ski.


I mean if you really wanna get stupid with it, any jet ski with a handlepole, that's not a kawi, is a direct rip off of Clay Jacobsens' original '73 400 design. Nobody's rippin up yamaha for making the fx-1 or superjet. Nobody is rippin on polaris for the octane, and no one is trashin' on hydrospace for making their standups, or any other A/m company that produces and sells standup hulls. But, all of the sudden, everyone starts moving their handlepoles 2 or 3 inches from the nose of the ski, and so when another company makes one like it, it's not acceptable? :dunno:

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Why in God's name would anyone want to come on here and try to sell something. You keep screaming innovation but when someone tries to do so they are ridiculed, mocked ,called copycats and berated, its just plain stupid folks. The thing is most of the bashers won't be buying or building anything in the near future, they still will be riding some clapped out square nose Superjet ten years from now. I distinctly remember being called everything but good when I put up the 300SX build thread, take a look around at the 300SX build threads up now folks. The Bob hull was a bondoed up and splashed 300sx hull, but no one is calling him out and bandwagoning his products. Looking CLOSELY at the pics there is no way this is a splashed Rickter hull, maybe similar in design details, just as most of the newer style hulls are, but the same, no not even close. It is a damn good thing that the people here only represent a very small portion of the freeride world in general, otherwise it would be doomed for sure.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

I think you're full of crap, Terry. everything you just said makes too much sense and give's way to actual reasoning. If people are to understand what you just wrote, it totally mutes any possible subjective arguments about the subject. that's BS.