full spec vs black jack

[scottie mac]

Gil,

I agree. All I have said from the beginning of this thread is that what WE have found is, performance gains will can be had with larger carbs, as long as they are the right carbs, tuned by the right people. But, some people on this forum act as if you disagree with their beliefs, you are out to get them or something.

Back to the OP, listing what he has - coffman pipe (assuming it is the wet pipe, not bad, not a good as a factory, but not that far off) 190lbs of compression, etc. It is my opinion, if tuned properly, this set up will have improved throttle response and mid than it had with stock, jetted and tuned 38s.

Again, JUST MY OPINION FORMED BY WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OVER THE YEARS. IF THAT ISN'T POPULAR WITH SOME FOLKS, SORRY FOR THE WASTE OF BANDWIDTH.

Now, can we all be friends again?

Scottie

 

[GIL]

Gil,

I agree. All I have said from the beginning of this thread is that what WE have found is, performance gains will can be had with larger carbs, as long as they are the right carbs, tuned by the right people. But, some people on this forum act as if you disagree with their beliefs, you are out to get them or something.

Back to the OP, listing what he has - coffman pipe (assuming it is the wet pipe, not bad, not a good as a factory, but not that far off) 190lbs of compression, etc. It is my opinion, if tuned properly, this set up will have improved throttle response and mid than it had with stock, jetted and tuned 38s.

Again, JUST MY OPINION FORMED BY WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OVER THE YEARS. IF THAT ISN'T POPULAR WITH SOME FOLKS, SORRY FOR THE WASTE OF BANDWIDTH.

Now, can we all be friends again?

Scottie

Scottie Mac, you either drink the Kool Aid or you are not one of the cool kids here. Take for instance X Scream. If you aren't on the bandwagon, you are a dumbazz. Do NOT get me wrong-they build good stuff, really good stuff, but I prefer Art's stuff which is nothing more than my personal preferance and I am the village idiot because of that. Just like I like BJs instead of FS. lol You know what I mean? If it ain't 'hyped' on here, it aint so!!! LOL

 

[waxhead]

I hear you gil i am the bastard son because i like novis

 

[scottie mac]

See, I don't get that. I have said it before, there is a lot of elitism on this site. I have had builders tell me to do something, and I have questioned it, but instead of being pig headed and say it can't work, I will test it out and see for myself. I mean, I have to laugh sometimes at some of the things that are said on here.

Summer can't get here fast enough.

Scottie

 

[superjetbrad]

didnt want a fight on here lets all be friends i know the b pipe is better but cant find one in my price randge right now so i got the coffman but would love the b pipe sounds like the carbs should be good for me thoe and have room to grow on the engine side of it

 

[scottie mac]

No fight bro. Some folks are just a little on the sensitive side. LOL Its all good. Its not like we wouldn't share a brew. You are on the way.

Scottie

 

[masterblaster]

I certainly dont doubt scottie found more power with his setup with 48s why would anyone bs about something like that.But that ski has god only knows how many gray areas for spec,and with its pipe setup alone is way diff than the op ...it should be named gray matter.lol

Gill you touched on something that makes the diff,as freeriders we pass the info around on building setups,that in imho is the # 1 reason it grows as fast as it does.there are a few tools here that have nothing better to do than argue this info,but for the most part we are better for it. Racers are crazy competitive and secretive about everything to gain a inch. Theres no way you will ever find out how any of them get any part to produce more power,just tid bits of info that mean nothing with out the rest.Ask a freerider for his timing curve or porting specs and pics and its no big deal,I have tons of it from others here,try asking a racer or race engine builder for that same info and watch for the look.........In our world the $ is in the work,in the racer world the $ is in the secret.thats why team scream does so well,art also,ask them anything and you will get the "complete" right answer.

 

[restosud]

you've got to love the name dropping going on here.and btw,it's not because you've shaken their hands that it makes you a wizard.
as far as i can recall,the op does not have a race boat so the groupk attributes could apply there.
so stop dispensing info that is not relevant to the discussion at hand.apparently the wide bandwidth used up by other's opinion is only narrowing yours.
and i'm going to repeat myself.he only has a ok pipe and a milled head nothing less,nothing more.he does not need 48's at this point.
just chill out,unbunch your little panties and go enjoy your 63mm carbs.

 

[GIL]

you've got to love the name dropping going on here.and btw,it's not because you've shaken their hands that it makes you a wizard.
as far as i can recall,the op does not have a race boat so the groupk attributes could apply there.
so stop dispensing info that is not relevant to the discussion at hand.apparently the wide bandwidth used up by other's opinion is only narrowing yours.
and i'm going to repeat myself.he only has a ok pipe and a milled head nothing less,nothing more.he does not need 48's at this point.
just chill out,unbunch your little panties and go enjoy your 63mm carbs.

I called Art about this last night and I now have a pair of 103mm carbs on the way for my 838Lamey. LMAO

 

[scottie mac]

you've got to love the name dropping going on here.and btw,it's not because you've shaken their hands that it makes you a wizard.
as far as i can recall,the op does not have a race boat so the groupk attributes could apply there.
so stop dispensing info that is not relevant to the discussion at hand.apparently the wide bandwidth used up by other's opinion is only narrowing yours.
and i'm going to repeat myself.he only has a ok pipe and a milled head nothing less,nothing more.he does not need 48's at this point.
just chill out,unbunch your little panties and go enjoy your 63mm carbs.

Perfect example of what I mentioned earlier about 'sensitive side' members. Go ahead, name call, belittle, anything you want. Not going to bother me in the slightest. And why is it that someone you've never met, with a differing opinion than yours, is so offending to you? My original reply to you was that I thought you were wrong. I still think you are wrong. Doesn't mean I think you are a dumb or bad person. And now this has turned into some kind of weird manhood argument, I don't get it.

And, no name dropping, I consider all those guys friends. Ed stayed with us on his way back from Daytona, TJ and I talk weekly, if it wasn't for Randy, I wouldn't have been competitive back when I raced for Polaris. I am also lucky to be really tight with John Fleckinsein of JSS. If that makes me a poser, so be it.

It'll be OK I guess, we don't have to be internet buddies. Don't let it get you all fired up. Sometimes I can come off as being combative, but I honestly don't give a chit.

Scottie

 

[Scorn800]

I certainly dont doubt scottie found more power with his setup with 48s why would anyone bs about something like that.But that ski has god only knows how many gray areas for spec,and with its pipe setup alone is way diff than the op ...it should be named gray matter.lol

Gill you touched on something that makes the diff,as freeriders we pass the info around on building setups,that in imho is the # 1 reason it grows as fast as it does.there are a few tools here that have nothing better to do than argue this info,but for the most part we are better for it. Racers are crazy competitive and secretive about everything to gain a inch. Theres no way you will ever find out how any of them get any part to produce more power,just tid bits of info that mean nothing with out the rest.Ask a freerider for his timing curve or porting specs and pics and its no big deal,I have tons of it from others here,try asking a racer or race engine builder for that same info and watch for the look.........In our world the $ is in the work,in the racer world the $ is in the secret.thats why team scream does so well,art also,ask them anything and you will get the "complete" right answer.

That has to do 1 of the dumbest things ever posted. So because so called "freeriders" share misleading info on a mesage board that helps the sport grow? What are you thinking.:shocked: If funny that so many of you "freeriders" buy into the whole low end marketing.:smokin:
Carbs are part of the overall motor package. Everthing must be tuned together to get it to run it's best.
I agree with everything Scottie said but hey what do we know race boats have no bottom endancake:

 

[scottie mac]

I think we have now officially fcuked this thread completely. lol Sorry Brad.

I'll just say we agree to disagree. No worries.

Oh, and Torr, there is nothing 'grey' about my ski package at all. Straight off the shelf ADA head with straight off the shelf domes. This isn't mod class where we have Brooks make us special domes. What is in my ski, you can buy from him. Factory pipe with a tnt chamber. That very same chamber that is a 'race' chamber with no low end. 62t cylinders, yes, those not freeride friendly cylinders. V force 2 reeds and 48mil novi a booster carbs. Hooker prop. Now, what is so exotic about that set up? Just a well put together set up tuned by someone with over 15 years of experience in the sport.

I would get into the entire 'its more about atomization than carb size debate' but I don't think think it would amount to a hill of beans on here.

Anyone got any Kool aid?

Scottie

 

[masterblaster]

you kill me with these same ole same ole posts you make.There is nothing misleading coming out of guys sharing info on builds from Art,and TS.They are a long way from low end. Are carbs REALLY just part of the whole package to get a boat to run its best....wow dude how enlightening.

scott...the grey is the things not talked about,not the obvious lol. Ive not seen anyone say tnt give no low end,just how much more than a b pipe to justify the cost associated.atomization would be the same between fs 46 and 48 but I think there would be some people here that would want to hear what you think about it.

 

[scottie mac]

Torr,

I am tempted to put 38s on my spec ski and bring it to wavedaze for your first hand ride report.

Scottie

 

[egbrig]

:chairshot::soapbox::chairshot:

 

[egbrig]

Hey, does my prior post count as a post? If it does then I'm gonna be a jetskier guru when my count gets higher. Now I just enjoy this thread.

 

[egbrig]

Hey, it counted!!!

 

[scottie mac]

Erik,

You should get a couple of coors lite cans and use them as flame arrestors on some 38s. I am saving you money left and right on your spec build. LOL

Scottie

 

[restosud]

well seeing how good you are at tuning i don't doubt for one minute that the cans will work fine.
i think gil has it right with the cool aspect of this sport enticing people into buying parts that won't necessarily hurt the performance but may not help it either.the bang for the buck is not always at the rendez-vous point unfortunately.
plenty if peeps have run into that but pride will not allow us to say such and such part didn't do chit,especially after blowing a bunch of $$$
scottie,your boat is a far cry from what the op has so your experience with bigger this or bigger that might not necessarily apply to him.i don't doubt you felt better performance on your combo but it may not apply to all on this forum.
no anger here btw.all is good and nothing like a good disagreement to get things moving in the morning.

 

[restosud]

gil, i think you'd be better off with a single 28mm from a 300sx on your 838.just my opinion.:swordfight:
but i know you're trying hard to be one of the cool kids here so do as you wish.:djsmilie: