Hand guns

[sxi steve]

Anyone add Night Sights to their pistols???

I'm planning on the Trijicon HD for the Glock 19.

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/iron_sights.php

 

[Peter123]

I'm planning on the Trijicon HD for the Glock 19.

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/iron_sights.php

Out of curiosity, have you looked at these - http://www.xssights.com/

 

[sxi steve]

^ Yes. I saw those. It didn't appeal to me.

 

[OCD Solutions]

Out of curiosity, have you looked at these - http://www.xssights.com/

I had similar sights on one of my 30-30 rifles and absolutely loved them. Target acquisition is much faster and it's way easier to track and center on a moving target. You feel at home with the gun almost instantly. I used it as a bush and saddle gun so I liked being able to pull the rifle from the scabbard and have it dead on as soon as it hit my shoulder. It was a very cheaply made gun but the sights made it a natural killer. I shot my first deer with it when I was only 14. It was in thick woods, the deer was running and I was seated on my horse at the time. IMO, the open sights are the best sight available for moving target.

Great choice for a defensive weapon but I'm not sure how I would feel about it on a range gun. I may be wrong, I just don't have the experience with them in that scenario. If I was ever trying to be accurate on target, I was using a different rifle with a scope.

I looked into new sights for my C92 but no matter what I settle on, it will require me to send out my slide to get V-grooved to accept it. Probably worth the investment though.

Surely there has to be a luminous paint you can apply to the factory sight? Similar as to what is used on the safety indicator?

 

[swapmeet]

There are a few companies that offer what is basically glow in the dark paint, but higher quality. Regardless you have to 'charge' it with a flash light etc to get the best bang for the buck.



I was gonna post this up in the 'good deals' section but, I guess everyone isn't a gun person, so i'll leave this here. Deal is over on Monday 9/30.

http://centerfiresystems.com/

I ordered this yesterday.
http://centerfiresystems.com/SGN-HAWK982.aspx

If you're wondering "wtf is a IAC 982?" Basically its a Chinese knockoff of the Remmington 870, it has ghost ring sights though, which I like.
Also, it accepts most 870 accessories.

 

[mxmark4]

Most of those knockoffs arent that bad i got that email too

There are a few companies that offer what is basically glow in the dark paint, but higher quality. Regardless you have to 'charge' it with a flash light etc to get the best bang for the buck.



I was gonna post this up in the 'good deals' section but, I guess everyone isn't a gun person, so i'll leave this here. Deal is over on Monday 9/30.

http://centerfiresystems.com/

I ordered this yesterday.
http://centerfiresystems.com/SGN-HAWK982.aspx

If you're wondering "wtf is a IAC 982?" Basically its a Chinese knockoff of the Remmington 870, it has ghost ring sights though, which I like.
Also, it accepts most 870 accessories.

 

[wanderer1]

Funny that something looks like or is a copy of a hull or a part (depending on who did it)and guys get upset on here, but copy of a firearm and its a "great deal"

 

[swapmeet]

Funny that something looks like or is a copy of a hull or a part (depending on who did it)and guys get upset on here, but copy of a firearm and its a "great deal"

Ha! I was thinking that as I posted the ad... figured it would come up eventually. Perhaps if someone here worked for Remington, they would have a thing or two to say.

 

[wanderer1]

My son machines frames for Ruger. I find it entertaining that in general " it looks like a Rickter or what not" so the builder is a douche. Or a guy copies a part but he's kool so its OK. And guns if its a less expensive copy no biggie. Funny how the line isn't straight.

 

[swapmeet]

Translated into gif.

 

[wanderer1]

I dont get it? If you're implying that my general statement/opinion was directed solely or in part at you, you are mistaken. If you feel it applies to you then I can't do anything about that. Its just my opinion about how "we" handle ourselves in general. High end firearms tend to perform better than less expensive models. When purchasing firearms I am not financially motivated, I am more quality and functionality motivated.

 

[Jetfiend]

High end firearms tend to perform better than less expensive models. When purchasing firearms I am not financially motivated, I am more quality and functionality motivated.

You guys are talking about purchasing a firearm for "bug out bags/kits" why would you buy several cheap weapons? Like Wanderer1 says, it's much easier to have a few caliber's that you practice, train and reach for in an emergency. If SHTF, I want to know that I'm more than proficient with my weapon. (as well as other things) I have found that you really do get what you pay for when it comes to firearms.

OCD, go shoot that Kimber, once you do it's game over! Nothing shoots like a 1911, that's why everyone loves them so much!

 

[MikeyB]

Well I ended up selling my 1911 right after I bought these new carbon creations grips. Still have the grips and figured someone on here might want them, asking 60 shipped.

 

[RSKI]

You guys are talking about purchasing a firearm for "bug out bags/kits" why would you buy several cheap weapons? Like Wanderer1 says, it's much easier to have a few caliber's that you practice, train and reach for in an emergency. If SHTF, I want to know that I'm more than proficient with my weapon. (as well as other things) I have found that you really do get what you pay for when it comes to firearms.

I agree with you that you get what you pay for, but in my opinion a Glock is the most reliable handgun available, and it certainly isn't the most expensive. I think you are exactly right with the comment on basically practicing with the calibers you use, and become proficient with your weapon. People often laugh when I pull out my completely stock Glock 17 with a Streamlight mounted on it during daytime shooting. The fact is that if I need my Glock, there's a good chance it could be dark, so my light never leaves my gun.

Kimber's are very nice, but I feel the magazine capacity of a standard single stack 1911 makes it less desirable in a personal defense situation than a Glock. Maybe you'll only need a few rounds in an altercation, but what if you have multiple threats enter your house? It is just my personal opinion that a Glock 17 is the best choice for a self defense handgun. 17 rounds of 9mm ammunition with easily manageable recoil under stress.

45 auto has significantly more recoil, and significantly less magazine capacity. I'm not going to mention ammunition brands, but a quality 9mm ammunition can be equally effective as a 45 auto and there is more room for error during a very stressful situation with the added magazine capacity and lower recoil.

A well trained user can manipulate a 1911 under stress, but for the majority of people I think a Glock is less prone to failure compared to a possibly very light trigger in a 1911, and you also have to remember to flip off the safety before using it. A Glock requires less fine motor skills, which in my experience is the first thing to go in a high stress environment.

There are other legitimate competitors to the Glock, I just like it the best for various reasons.

Just my $.02
Rant over!

 

[swapmeet]

Good lord you want to stir up the 9mm vs 45 argument AND SA vs DA?!?! Lol I'm out on that discussion. It's like political parties. We'd never see eye to eye.

You guys are talking about purchasing a firearm for "bug out bags/kits" why would you buy several cheap weapons? Like Wanderer1 says, it's much easier to have a few caliber's that you practice, train and reach for in an emergency. If SHTF, I want to know that I'm more than proficient with my weapon. (as well as other things) I have found that you really do get what you pay for when it comes to firearms.

OCD, go shoot that Kimber, once you do it's game over! Nothing shoots like a 1911, that's why everyone loves them so much!

We'll, you made an assumption on buying to have vs buying to bug out. Sure, for "Bugout" purposes, a high quality high cap weapon is desirable. Especially if you cold only have one.
I much prefer the Bug in concept. But like the argument mentioned above, this isn't the place and I don't feel like debating it.

The reason I bring it up? Because I'd rather have a few multi purpose weapons available. And the shotgun might be the most versatile firearm available IMO. You can breech a common door, kill large game with slugs or buck, bird hunting, self defense/ home defense is obvious. And I think there is a difference between a cheap weapon and a cheap pump style shotgun.
Mossberg 500 and Remington 870 are both budget shotguns ($350-$450) and are extremely reliable. I've never heard of issues or malfunctions.

To me, having a $200 shotgun stashed in a readily available place outside my home is good math. Cause if I have to 'get home' (like bugging out, but bugging back to the house) I have a go to weapon incase someone has broken or has stolen my other weapons.

And it's a $200 gun, if it gets ruined, its not like I ruined a $1500 Beneili. Oh, and the barter value of a $200 weapon would likely be 5x to 10x in a true SHTF situation. Another good reason to have several weapons. Even cheap ones.

 

[RSKI]

Good lord you want to stir up the 9mm vs 45 argument AND SA vs DA?!?! Lol I'm out on that discussion. It's like political parties. We'd never see eye to eye.

I'm not trying to stir up an argument, just giving my opinion based on years of testing we've done with ballistic gelatin through clothing, and barriers like auto glass, plywood, sheet rock, and sheet metal. We also have done comparisons from law enforcement in the field to compare effects on actual autopsies.

Sometimes people go with the bigger is better concept, but in this case I don't think that's the best choice. Sorry if I got off topic, I was only trying to help out. I don't know anything about skis, and countless people on the x have helped me learn. So when I saw this thread I thought I'd try and help out people that may not have access to the testing or info that I do.

 

[Jetfiend]

I'm with you on that one Swapmeet, I'm trying to prep for both situations (bug in/bug out). Talking about hiding one outside of dwelling, I've considered doing the same with a cheap shotgun or even a 10/22 breakdown. But as Jason mentioned, having too many caliber's and weapons can screw you up in a OH SH****T situation, as you will always fall back on muscle memory. I train quarterly on the same two weapons (M4 & Handgun) to maintain proficiency and can tell you that I still make mistakes even when under simulated (but painful) fire. So if you have a bunch of guns, ammo and mags in various locations, make sure you can take them apart, put them together and operate them all by feel.

To the OP, I think the Glock is probably best bang-for-buck. As much as I have tried to like them, I think they feel awful and can't stand how they shoot. So be sure to test out any gun before you purchase.

Rileym21, based on your ballistics testing, do you mind sharing what you think is the best caliber handgun for personal defense?

 

[RSKI]

Rileym21, based on your ballistics testing, do you mind sharing what you think is the best caliber handgun for personal defense?

For me it's the 9mm. I'm not at all trying to push our product, but Hornady Critical Defense is pretty hard on people and it's soft rubber tip prevents clogging like you'll see with a conventional hollow point design. It is meant to perform through various clothing materials, yet still expand and penetrate the desired amount. Often a regular hollow point like a Hornady XTP will clog with denim, leather, cotton, etc. Which basically turns the bullet into an fmj often resulting in over penetration and under expansion. Bad news if your family members are on the other side of the wall behind your target.

Our Critical Duty on the other hand is a completely different bullet that is designed for law enforcement situations to perform through barriers such as auto glass, sheet metal, etc like I talked about in a post a little further up this page. Basically offensive type shooting rather than defensive.

I brought up these specific bullet types because they are recent and significant steps forward in bullet design. These new bullets help level the playing field of 9mm vs .40 cal vs .45 cal. I think with these advances the 9mm comes out on top for most effective handgun cartridge for self defense when considering magazine capacity, low recoil, and it's a very common caliber, so theoretically you'd have better odds of finding ammunition for it if something really bad and long term happened.

I sound like such a tool talking about our own products! Ahhhh make it stop! I'm not in sales, I promise!

 

[RSKI]

After saying all of that I look next to my bed and see the tool I would grab first if someone broke in my house

 

[Idok]

13 rd .45 xd next to my bed with a tlr-1

then a 12ga pump in the crapper



Im good with 9mm and .45 but 13 rounds of .45>17 rounds 9mm