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Just discovered 2 indoor ranges that rent class 3 full automatic weapons and both are on the way to one of our ride spots. I know I would never have the need or want to own a semi AR much less a fully automatic one but I sure would love to shoot one at least once.
 
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Just discovered 2 indoor ranges that rent class 3 full automatic weapons and both are on the way to one of our ride spots. I know I would never have the need or want to own a semi AR much less a fully automatic one but I sure would love to shoot one at least once.

Every full blooded american should own an ar15......and a 1911
 

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What's that conversion cost? I have seen some pretty good pricing on bulk .223/5.56x45mm for $0.40/round but still not near as cheap as 9mm at $0.20/round.

Had a 22LR Uzi in my hands the other day too that was only $449. Good way to blast thru a ton of ammo fast but useless otherwise.
 
What's that conversion cost? I have seen some pretty good pricing on bulk .223/5.56x45mm for $0.40/round but still not near as cheap as 9mm at $0.20/round.

Had a 22LR Uzi in my hands the other day too that was only $449. Good way to blast thru a ton of ammo fast but useless otherwise.

B you need to start reloading......its the perfect hobby for you, will save a ton of $$ and you will be GOOD at it
 

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Yeah I'm very skeptical about it saving "tons of money". That really depends on what equipment you buy. And if you're going to be reloading in bulk and/or don't like wasting your time, a good progressive setup is a must. And if you do that, you really need to spring for a quality progressive setup.
Now add decent powder measures (multiples), die sets, press heads, shell plates, a good scale, all sorts of hand tools, a good tumbler or three, case trimmer, and who knows what else and you're looking at several thousand bucks for a setup that makes quality ammo in a reasonable amount of time. And even with that, you're still going to spend a lot of time measuring, prepping cases, measuring some more, etc.
Don't forget that brass, primers, powder, and especially decent bullets are not all that cheap anymore, either. Yah you can get range brass, but you better spend an extra amount of time on measuring, prepping, and re-measuring that stuff.

Now - don't get me wrong, I think reloading/hand-loading is a fine hobby that can be fun and would be perfect for someone that's OCD. I've done it off and on for over ten years now. It's very rewarding to make your ammo yourself. With a bit of experimentation, one can easily make ammo that surpasses factory stuff.
Just don't fool yourself into thinking that you'll save money. LOL

PS: Reloading for AR's is a bit difficult anyhow. You want to turn out volume, so you need to use a progressive press setup. Except that progressive reloading of bottleneck cartridges can be a real pain in the ass. AR's can be pretty finicky on rounds, so you need to spend time developing a working round for each AR you have. Case dimensions, bullet shape, seating depth, charge (for proper cycling) all play into this. Like I said, I've done it before and one could save LOTS of time and probably money by just buying bulk ammo.
 
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Looked into it already but the cost savings is pretty minimal on 9mm, especially for the small amount I shoot. Besides, If I find any spare time lately I use it to catch up on sleep.

Guys reload because they enjoy reloading. I would hate it.
 
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yes, there is a pretty good equipment cost...I typically shoot 1000 rounds of 9mm per MONTH

we reload 147 subsonic for about 160 per 1000


you can buy std. velocity 9mm for about 240 per 1000......thats with a 115gr bullet


most definatly worth it...


then again, also we are loading tons .223, .300 blackout (for suppressed rifles), and tons of .308, 45-70 and any big magnum cartridge
 
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For hand gun calibers, it can make a lot more sense and is typically fast and reliable on a good press. I think I got that up to a few hundred rounds/hr when I got good at it.
Is it worth it? Depends on what your time is worth. Right now I do not have that kind of extra time.

Again, great hobby. Not dissing it.
 
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We hit the range twice since we purchased last month and shot a whopping total of 100 rounds each so far. Not gonna break the bank at that rate. Jen gets thru her 50 round box and is pretty much ready to go home. She's way too frugal for this hobby and is still doing the math every time she pulls the trigger.

I bought an extra 17 round mag just so I can preload it before I leave the house and have 67 shots instead of 50, lol. The first time I go without her is going to be a 200 round session for sure.
 
youre not shooting enough...and I bet jen is still shooting with 1 eye closed ;-)


say you were to enroll in a 2-3 day weekend shooting course...


you'd shoot between 1500-2000 rounds


handgun reloading takes aloot of time without a progressive...........


I have single stage, my buddy at the shop has a progressive.....I do big rifle rounds at the house, and we crank out 9mm at the shop....


not only do you save money...but you can customize your loads........which means you can shoot premium ammo for the less the cost of basic
 
reloading is a cool hobby but too much intense work for me. I would think OCD's rounds would be a great defense/tactical load if he were doing it. As far as that carbine it cost me shocks and struts and lower control arm bushings on a BMW Z3 not too bad if you ask me.
 
For hand gun calibers, it can make a lot more sense and is typically fast and reliable on a good press. I think I got that up to a few hundred rounds/hr when I got good at it.
Is it worth it? Depends on what your time is worth. Right now I do not have that kind of extra time.

Again, great hobby. Not dissing it.

it actually makes MORE sense with rifle or big bores than handguns......


I can reload a box of 45-70 for about 8-12 bucks....a box of factory ammo is 35-40


for 9mm its 240 retail vs abut 175 reloads and can shoot 147 subsonics instead of 115 standards.....
 
guns are just like superjets......

for 1200 bucks you can buy a ready to go colt ar 9mm...


for 1200 bucks we could build you a "rickter" of ar's and have all the best technology....better parts and it'd be prettier......
 

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reloading is a cool hobby but too much intense work for me. I would think OCD's rounds would be a great defense/tactical load if he were doing it. As far as that carbine it cost me shocks and struts and lower control arm bushings on a BMW Z3 not too bad if you ask me.

Using handloads as defense rounds is a terrible idea for a variety of reasons.



it actually makes MORE sense with rifle or big bores than handguns......


Depends on how you look at it. If it's for a volume shooter like an AR, see my comments in an earlier post. I personally don't like cranking out bottleneck cartridges on a progressive.
If it's for something you don't shoot a lot of (i.e., not an AR) it may not make financial sense to handload.
For quality, handloads are hard to beat. I've had a few precision bolt actions and I've always handloaded for those. It wasn't about cost, it was about quality and repeatability.
 
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I love my AR. Tons of fun to shoot. My newest handgun is a Chiappa Rhino .357 Magnum. Shoots from the 6 O'Clock chamber on the cylinder. Very low muzzle rise. Octagonal cylinder, pretty narrow all aluminum frame.
 

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I love my AR. Tons of fun to shoot. My newest handgun is a Chiappa Rhino .357 Magnum. Shoots from the 6 O'Clock chamber on the cylinder. Very low muzzle rise. Octagonal cylinder, pretty narrow all aluminum frame.

Ive seen these theyre BA can i ask what kind of $$$$ they socked ya for it?
 
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