If there was a oem hull 800 freestyle class who would compete

sneds

sneds

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Wasaga Beach
I think there would still be a large gap coming from a OEM hull and 800cc limit to today's amateur setups. Not only is there a large gap in the cost to own such a ski but, there is a huge gap in going from fountains and 180 nose stabs to multiple backflip combos. I think having another class which would allow AM hulls and maybe an 800cc limit would fill the gap nicely. This would provide more of a natural progression from one class to the next.... Just my opinion.
 
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SkiPro

SkiPro

Trim down for what!?!?!?
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E-Town, Ok
Personally i love to watch people who shred oem hulls old school stlye. The ones that string together great runs without flaws that bring mad energy to there riding. Big deep 180 nose stabs, deeps subs, Barrel Rolls, power 360's,Hood tricks.. All on a 7 foot long barge with no more then a piped 701.
Id rather watch skilled riders shred old school style with mad energy and a great routine then watch people bearly nose in flips and do tiny little 360's and hop 180's around for 2 minutes each.
On the other hand i don't really wana watch total beginners with little tray timie try and perfect their tail spins and tail stalls in a competition...
OEM hull 800cc max would be awesome and i would love to see it like in the European Freestlye Championship
 
JMew03

JMew03

The call me Mew Mew
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DFW,TX
I think it would be a good idea.

I personally enjoy watching am hulls with little engines in them. (701 with pipe and head) over 1200cc engines.
At 1200cc you start relying on the engine to do all the work rather than the skill of the rider. Yes I know there is skill either way but you get what I mean.
 
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Half flip95

Formerly pondracer95
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Lake Havasu City AZ
sneds said:
I think there would still be a large gap coming from a OEM hull and 800cc limit to today's amateur setups. Not only is there a large gap in the cost to own such a ski but, there is a huge gap in going from fountains and 180 nose stabs to multiple backflip combos. I think having another class which would allow AM hulls and maybe an 800cc limit would fill the gap nicely. This would provide more of a natural progression from one class to the next.... Just my opinion.
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i don't like your opinion. splitting up the talent hurts the level of competition. Go ride 900cc amateur. You can have a class spec'd 800cc ski that will still cost 30k and stomp out anything you can come up with for 15k.
look at it like this. you're a privateer. we all want to be world champion jet skiers, but you're not going to run with the factory guys until you get your equipment and training program really dialed in. for now you should just be happy to make the main. i'd rather be 10th out of 50 than 1 st out of 5
 
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sneds

sneds

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Wasaga Beach
pondracer95 said:
i don't like your opinion. splitting up the talent hurts the level of competition. Go ride 900cc amateur. You can have a class spec'd 800cc ski that will still cost 30k and stomp out anything you can come up with for 15k.
look at it like this. you're a privateer. we all want to be world champion jet skiers, but you're not going to run with the factory guys until you get your equipment and training program really dialed in. for now you should just be happy to make the main. i'd rather be 10th out of 50 than 1 st out of 5
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion .
I think more classes would draw more competitors. Not everyone owns either a OEM hull or a amateur level ski. Based on what I've read on here, a lot of people own an AM hull with a sub 800cc setup. If you only have an OEM hull class and the next step is amateur, then your leaving a lot of people out. I'm just simply saying that I think there should be 2 new classes, the OEM class being discussed, and a AM hull sub 800cc class... Possibly a limited setup only? Again, just my opinion.
 
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zimmy

zimmy

onlyFX-1 said:
I'm just curious, if there was a OEM 800cc freestyle class on the national tour who would compete?

OEM hull
800cc max engine
Limited setup
Footholds
Hand holds


Seems like a perfect way to get people into the sport but keep cost low.

Would it be unfair if someone like me competed in that class? Or should it only be for new comers?
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I do have one question, why the limit of 800cc? What motor packages did you have in mind?
 
Quinc

Quinc

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California
More people have oem hulls and stock-ish motors than people with a/m. I would start as oem and if it grows add in other classes.
 
kswiatk

kswiatk

Location
Minnesota
Quinc said:
More people have oem hulls and stock-ish motors than people with a/m. I would start as oem and if it grows add in other classes.
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I feel like those who spend more money are more likely to come to such an event to compete. Tons of people have stock hulls and stockish motors but are most likely weekend riders who wouldnt be interested in competition
 
Quinc

Quinc

Buy a Superjet
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California
Pro Watercross said:
Pro Watercross Freestyle Rule Book and New class (1.2)
http://prowatercross.com/media/54f0cb6cc1418.pdf
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AM
FREESTYLE 800 cc

1.2.1
Amateur Freestyle is intended to be the entry level class, while Pro Freestyle is the premier class showcasing
the latest tricks and combinations.
Pro
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Am
Freestyle 800 cc is available for both Pro and Amateur level
competitors, and is intended to showcase “old school” tricks as well as newer tricks.
1.2.2
Watercraft hull and top deck shall be OEM only. No aftermarket or replica hulls and/or top decks allowed.
1.2.3
Hull may be modified as desired. Top Deck shall be OEM dimensions. Aftermarket hood kit is allowed.
Does this mean that you can cut 5 inches off the bottom deck and still be legal?

1.2.4
Freestyle engine displacements shall be limited to 800cc.
1.2.5
Footholds may be installed into the tray area. Footholds may be straps, pockets, or protrusio
ns provided they
do not cause a hazard to Competitor.
1.2.6
Internal flotation foam in tray area may be removed.
1.2.7
The watercraft must function as originally intended by similar homologated watercraft.
1.2.8
Fuel fillers may be relocated internally.
1.2.9
The fuel tank may
be modified or aftermarket, providing the watercraft must not vent or spill fuel in any
position with or without the engine running. The tank must be securely fastened to the hull.
1.2.10
OEM crankcases shall be utilized.
1.2.11
OEM jet pump shall be utilized.
1.2.12
Lanyar
d use is optional.
 
OA5599

OA5599

Location
MN
pondracer95 said:
i'd rather be 10th out of 50 than 1 st out of 5
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This is pretty key IMHO. The class should generally reflect what the majority of enthusiasts want and can achieve. In competition people will always find a way to spend money on the hardware, but if the competition is neither fun to watch or to compete in - there will be no competitors or sponsorship. 1200cc skis attract people to the sport, 800cc skis get people into the sport.
 
Vumad

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
A possible solution is to classify and catagorize. Only one winner but have a way to break down the competition.

Ex
rank, displacement, setup, hull
1st 800cc mod mod
2nd 800cc stock am
3rd 760cc mod stock

Then those competing can go online, look at the 20 people who competed, click "show only stock hulls" and it displays rankings of pnly those with stock hulls. So in my example 1st place is a modified stock hull, and its the one and only winner in the 800 class, but competitors can easily compare setups and see how they performed against equal/unequal platforms.

You could even do an optional "underdog" trophy for example someone who placed top 5 but their setup was significantly less than the next 5 people below them.

Just a thouht. I think of the class kind of like a starter exhibition class for people who are new and not ready to invest large sums to get excited about. (Which is why underdog could be a cool way to give credit without breaking up the classes. Dlnt even need to have an underdog every competition or can have 2, its an acknowledgement judges could use on discretion)

Its like my 1st bike i just got being a used one, dealer was kind of rude just a cheap used customer, but now im in the sport and considering a brand new hih end bike, used bike was just a cheap investment to try it out. Now im more ready to drop real cash. it would be good to make compeitions more friendly the ski sport has suffered a lot since its peak. Needs some cpr.
 
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