Freestyle Krash 50 Cal Footrocket Kit

Status
Not open for further replies.
My GroupK works very well. Don't under estimate it until you ride it. The 50cal is wide but is also very short. If you go with a flush ride plate you will be flipping & flying all over the place Guaranteed....
 
Location
Edmond ok
Yeah, just ride your motor. Learn on that. It'll help you in the long run. If you end up falling in love with flat water, you can take mine for a spin and see if that's something you would want to get into.
 

chixwithtrix

Addicted
Location
Houston
Oh I absolutely am going to stick with what I have there's no way I can afford buying a PV motor or am interested in buying a PV motor right now. Definitely a for the future type thing.
 
I have two motors for sale if you are interested.
1- Used xscream 900RR short block with bedplate, reeds and custom intake manifold. $7000 (30hrs) ran c-12 and klotz oil.

2- used PHP 898 short block 70hrs on bottom and 15 hours on top end. $3000
 

Attachments

  • IMG_4055.JPG
    IMG_4055.JPG
    102.4 KB · Views: 74
  • IMG_3572.JPG
    IMG_3572.JPG
    106.6 KB · Views: 77

chixwithtrix

Addicted
Location
Houston
A
I have two motors for sale if you are interested.
1- Used xscream 900RR short block with bedplate, reeds and custom intake manifold. $7000 (30hrs) ran c-12 and klotz oil.

2- used PHP 898 short block 70hrs on bottom and 15 hours on top end. $3000
Appreciate the offer, but as I said a PV motor is something possibly for down the line. And almost definitely buying new when I do.

More just curious at the moment about the AM freestyle rules and what I could potentially be planning for. I still have a lot of knee recovery, building and freestyle learning to do.
 

chixwithtrix

Addicted
Location
Houston
It was in the 30s this day a few weeks ago, but that didn't last.
In the 80s today...too bad out of 3 skis I don't have a working machine and was at work anyway.
IMG_20161120_120016.jpg
 
Location
SWFL
It was in the 30s this day a few weeks ago, but that didn't last.
In the 80s today...too bad out of 3 skis I don't have a working machine and was at work anyway.
View attachment 324069

chixwithtrix I was watching your build vlogs on youtube, then I remembered the ski on this build site, so I wanted to ask you something. The vids were mostly timelapsed with no dialogue so I did as much of the reading thru this thread as possible...

So, obviously you waited a LLLLOOONNNGGG time for the delivery of this hull... I think I recall you or someone else with a Krash ski saying that there was a wait even after it arrived stateside... was that due to assembly? and if so, ( I think I saw a pic of it partly assembled, with the pole/bars/chinpad installed?) whats the point of the assembly if it is all torn down again and crated and sent to you, just for you to have to assemble it again?

what I'm also asking is, so if there was a distributor or a rep location stateside, once you got it and that pump was screwed up, why did you have to do all the labor, pulling the pump off, scraping the silicone, etc, then install the one that YOU bought? couldn't you have the stateside rep either pick it up/fix it/send it back or have him have a local contracted tech fix it on their bill? does that kit/hull come with any type of warranty? 1 year or so?

I just hate seeing all the trouble you had to go thru after paying all that money. I can somewhat recall someone on one of these forums who purchased a new aftermarket hull having some major issues and the company SENT a tech to HIS location to do the repair. I'll have to look that up again.
 

chixwithtrix

Addicted
Location
Houston
chixwithtrix I was watching your build vlogs on youtube, then I remembered the ski on this build site, so I wanted to ask you something. The vids were mostly timelapsed with no dialogue so I did as much of the reading thru this thread as possible...

So, obviously you waited a LLLLOOONNNGGG time for the delivery of this hull... I think I recall you or someone else with a Krash ski saying that there was a wait even after it arrived stateside... was that due to assembly? and if so, ( I think I saw a pic of it partly assembled, with the pole/bars/chinpad installed?) whats the point of the assembly if it is all torn down again and crated and sent to you, just for you to have to assemble it again?
This is my opinion based on the situation, I do not know if it is true. Chris told me two months or less because hulls were already built in Thailand waiting on paint.
I believe that was just a way to sell people on it, but the hulls themselves actually weren't even built. He sent photos of mine as it was being built, out of the molds and the top and bottom mated. So obviously mine wasn't 'waiting on paint'. It wasn't even a twinkle in Krash's eye when I ordered it. I think they also saved multiple hull orders to ship them over together from Thailand.

Chris received the hulls from Thailand and assembled them in NJ. Installed the pump, pole, etc. Didn't really disassemble it to freight it to me.

what I'm also asking is, so if there was a distributor or a rep location stateside, once you got it and that pump was screwed up, why did you have to do all the labor, pulling the pump off, scraping the silicone, etc, then install the one that YOU bought? couldn't you have the stateside rep either pick it up/fix it/send it back or have him have a local contracted tech fix it on their bill? does that kit/hull come with any type of warranty? 1 year or so?
I'm in TX, Chris is in NJ...a good 1700+ miles away. It isn't like Krash has extra hulls sitting over here in the States. I wanted my hood replaced, but they don't have any extras. The messed up chinpad had to be specially made in Thailand when I told him it was damaged. The kind of person who doesn't like other people working on my stuff, even if I don't know how to do it...so a local contractor is kind of out of the question for the limited stuff that is wrong. Chris did offer to pay for painting the hood after I asked, but I don't have time to work on the ski itself much less get a quote from a body shop that wouldn't be able to match the paint anyway. As far as warranty, ehh, I don't know. Nothing stated, probably a case by case basis. Krash did give me a full refund on the Stage 2 pump parts. It was annoying to have to remove it, but it isn't like they told me to take a hike when I told them I didn't trust the pump.

I just hate seeing all the trouble you had to go thru after paying all that money. I can somewhat recall someone on one of these forums who purchased a new aftermarket hull having some major issues and the company SENT a tech to HIS location to do the repair. I'll have to look that up again.
Honestly the Krash kits are cheap, and with cheap you can't expect premium service. Just not how the world goes 'round. Fortunately, I don't consider the issues I have run into so far MAJOR issues. Frustrating, yes, but you can't expect an aftermarket jet ski hull to be perfect. So far the hull itself has been great. It is just the cheap parts that surround it as well as the man power that Krash is lacking that are the issues.
 
Hmm, will have to do some research on them for the future. Shortblock 89mm bore has a nice price.

As far as the inserts, what are people using to glue them in? Glass them or just glue, combo...?
Looks at a couple of threads, but not a whole lot of explanation.
You'd be happy with a PHP 898. Tons of power and very reliable.
 
Location
SWFL
This is my opinion based on the situation, I do not know if it is true. Chris told me two months or less because hulls were already built in Thailand waiting on paint.
I believe that was just a way to sell people on it, but the hulls themselves actually weren't even built. He sent photos of mine as it was being built, out of the molds and the top and bottom mated. So obviously mine wasn't 'waiting on paint'. It wasn't even a twinkle in Krash's eye when I ordered it. I think they also saved multiple hull orders to ship them over together from Thailand.

Chris received the hulls from Thailand and assembled them in NJ. Installed the pump, pole, etc. Didn't really disassemble it to freight it to me.


I'm in TX, Chris is in NJ...a good 1700+ miles away. It isn't like Krash has extra hulls sitting over here in the States. I wanted my hood replaced, but they don't have any extras. The messed up chinpad had to be specially made in Thailand when I told him it was damaged. The kind of person who doesn't like other people working on my stuff, even if I don't know how to do it...so a local contractor is kind of out of the question for the limited stuff that is wrong. Chris did offer to pay for painting the hood after I asked, but I don't have time to work on the ski itself much less get a quote from a body shop that wouldn't be able to match the paint anyway. As far as warranty, ehh, I don't know. Nothing stated, probably a case by case basis. Krash did give me a full refund on the Stage 2 pump parts. It was annoying to have to remove it, but it isn't like they told me to take a hike when I told them I didn't trust the pump.


Honestly the Krash kits are cheap, and with cheap you can't expect premium service. Just not how the world goes 'round. Fortunately, I don't consider the issues I have run into so far MAJOR issues. Frustrating, yes, but you can't expect an aftermarket jet ski hull to be perfect. So far the hull itself has been great. It is just the cheap parts that surround it as well as the man power that Krash is lacking that are the issues.

I see where you're coming from.. It's the difference of spending $8500 on a "kit" versus spending $8500 on a brand new SJ.. If I just bought a brand new SJ that is "ride ready", best believe that dealer would be handling all the broken issues.

I get the whole not trusting people to work on your stuff, even if they may know more. Which is why I never had the gas tank recall done on my HX. On that model, the Motor has to come out and the driveshaft runs thru the tank, so all that stuff has to be aligned, and when the techs there are only a year or two out of high school and don't even know what a two stroke is, (I'm 33 but had tons of 2 stroke dirtbikes as a kid) I don't have faith in their abilities.. Not their fault, they've just only been trained on the newer 4 tecs

Anyway, been riding for years, have only got a total of about 4 hours on stand ups tho, and trying to learn all I can. I loved your "rubbing is racing" vid where you were bumped bc the POV of the cam showed ALL of the footwork involved, which I know nothing about yet, so thanks.. Do you have any other vids with the same POV?
 
Location
Pa
^It seemed half way through production the 50cal top decks were slightly redesigned(hood fitment and latching), this caused down time. The fact that they were coming from thailand ment that they had to wait for a shipping crate to fill and then float to the states, unless you want to pay air freight, and then clear customs and make it to chris, who then made sure what you ordered is what you got.

My hull needed alot of shimming on the front motor mounts to be aligned properly, its very easy to over look little things that then make huge problems.

Am I a krash fan boy? You bet I am, this hull was more than what I expected on the water. It is so easy to ride and enjoy. I love the design and little things that make the whole ski, nick got it right here and hes trying to do it at an affordable price
 
Location
SWFL
Ok, so with all the consideration of having to work out little kinks such as shimming, motor mounts not being pre drilled, etc...
Does krash make a R2R footrocket/50 cal/whatever? Sort of like how you can go to blowsion and buy one of their fully built skis? Obviously you can buy someone's used one, but can you buy a fully built ski directly from Krash where you DONT need to install a pump, bars, pole, motor, etc?
 
Location
Pa
Not yet but im sure thats in the works or you can buy one built from blowsion or alike. You have to shim any ski whenever you swap motor or pump regardless or make. They were supposed to plug and play but they needed more fine tuning than simply bolt your motor in and go
 
Location
SWFL
Nice,
Since its never been started, I'm guessing you can say that's ready to ride.
I've never owned a brand new ski, AM or OEM... So, is there an inherent risk buying a ski like that that has never been started/water tested in case something was "overlooked" on the build and the motor grenades after 1 hour?

I ask because I'm new to stand up skis and have already scratched my hull pretty bad and have already fixed and repainted it.. So, once I DO get more comfortable on it, I will be purchasing a new ski.
I was looking at the new 4tec sxr bc it came in under 10k, but when I learned it was almost double the weight of my ski (500lbs) I started considering a leftover 15 or 16 SJ that I can pick up for around $7-7500...
That's why I can't wait for @chixwithtrix to get hers in the water and report back.
 

chixwithtrix

Addicted
Location
Houston
I see where you're coming from.. It's the difference of spending $8500 on a "kit" versus spending $8500 on a brand new SJ.. If I just bought a brand new SJ that is "ride ready", best believe that dealer would be handling all the broken issues.

I get the whole not trusting people to work on your stuff, even if they may know more. Which is why I never had the gas tank recall done on my HX. On that model, the Motor has to come out and the driveshaft runs thru the tank, so all that stuff has to be aligned, and when the techs there are only a year or two out of high school and don't even know what a two stroke is, (I'm 33 but had tons of 2 stroke dirtbikes as a kid) I don't have faith in their abilities.. Not their fault, they've just only been trained on the newer 4 tecs

Anyway, been riding for years, have only got a total of about 4 hours on stand ups tho, and trying to learn all I can. I loved your "rubbing is racing" vid where you were bumped bc the POV of the cam showed ALL of the footwork involved, which I know nothing about yet, so thanks.. Do you have any other vids with the same POV?
Yamaha is a huge company compared to Krash and any other aftermarket company. The tooling and money that went into making the SJ straight and true is incredible. Yamaha/Kawasaki have dealers and service departments to service their units. Aftermarket companies are often times sole proprietors putting their heart and soul into their creations. Not a ton at their disposal.

My fiance works at a powersports dealer and has a 2015 Superjet and I have two Kawasaki SXRs. Not comparable in manufacturing, riding or servicing...Superjet is more like a Toyota Camry. Great car that does many things well and of high quality, but is a more all around vehicle. The new SJ does do well at both rec riding and can race, but doesn't excel at either. Removing and installing the pump is a breeze, no shims whatsoever.

The Krash and other aftermarket hulls are more like an esoteric sports car...few quirks, hand made, finiky...but the performance is mind blowing. The Superjet/Toyota Camry costs a lot less than the Krash/Corvette, but the Vette will do a few things amazingly and make your heart sing if 'ya know what I mean. You'll spend $8500 on a Superjet that is a recreation ski for the most part or $12+ on a freestyle ski that does a few things incredibly. I rode a $30k Rickter that blew my mind and gave me a nice bruise on my chin and a busted ego haha. The owner is always tinkering with it though...sports car problems...can't expect even a $30k aftermarket ski to be perfect.

I have a lot of riding videos in my stand up playlist...in no particular order. Glad you like the videos!!
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJg654_U8yhjs5zlkwjtbjLnFmvDeUxAn
 
Last edited:

chixwithtrix

Addicted
Location
Houston
I was looking at the new 4tec sxr bc it came in under 10k, but when I learned it was almost double the weight of my ski (500lbs) I started considering a leftover 15 or 16 SJ that I can pick up for around $7-7500...
That's why I can't wait for @chixwithtrix to get hers in the water and report back.
You really need to decide what direction you want to do . The SXR is race only really. I own two and while I rec rode my SXR for a year...the SJ is easier and more flickable for rec riding. Racing though the SXR is a beast! And I'm talking about the smaller 2 stroke ones. No idea on the new 4 stroke monster.

If you want to do actual freestyle I'd suggest skipping the SJ and getting an aftermarket hull. If you want to rec ride and maybe race the new Superjets are a good all around choice.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom