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[Dirtybird]

^This.
Where did that even come from? Lol

 

[swapmeet]

That's the pot calling the kettle black. You obviously support that practice yet you point fingers at another company as if you're so bothered by it.
I've ridden a couple of Chans and really liked them so I won't knock the hull at all and Steve is a good dude but that's an SXR based bottom deck and the hull design was also based off a Rok-R which is no secret so for you to come on here pointing fingers at an Aquabot is hilarious and hypocritical. This thread is about a pizz poor splash of a CarterB nose and other crappy splashed products by 1 person and people having negative feedback all over the place on him. Backi Chan and Aquabot don't directly resemble any other hull out there and are not a direct splash. The bottom decks are much different on both of them than any other hull. There are many other hulls out there that are a closer copy of another than both of these. I think the Aquabot and Backie Chan are both great hulls that have helped push the industry.
So "really?"
You just want to create drama...

I don't see the resemblance in the Chan and the Rok-R but i'm not disagreeing with you... why? Because i've never seen a RokR in person... I see 3 Rickters every weekend. WDK isn't a international business that people everywhere instantly recognize the shape/ style of their skis.

Its just the irony of the statement that parkersxr made and how much the bot looks like a RRP product. It pisses me off that people will judge one person for knocking off a product and saying they should be sentenced to a thousand lashings (not skibum, cause hes marketing his parts as the real deal, he deserves that crap) and then another guy adds some lines to the what is universally recognized as the Rickter shape and he somehow gets a pass.

Would you say this statement is incorrect? "Tony built his own molds/ plug from scratch but modeled the top deck after a existing highly popular international branded product already on the market."

Because thats what he's done IMO... he has plagiarized the style for his own profit, and everyone is cool with it.. and I Just. Don't. Get it.


So yes... Really...

 

[Ducky]

That isn't what this thread is about. This thread is about a person that has been known for making parts with awful quality. Tigercraft puts out a high quality product. Skibums craftsmanship is laughable.

 

[swapmeet]

Awww come on... a little thread de-rail here and there never hurt anyone...


Fine fine... carry on if you must.

 

[Ducky]

Awww come on... a little thread de-rail here and there never hurt anyone...


Fine fine... carry on if you must.

True but so many threads get de-railed for the wrong reason. This one (and threads alike) need to stay on topic because people like skibum need to be run out of here. You can't control what happens on craigslist, but hopefully if a person gets screwed over by him, they might find there way here for help.

 

[KTM434]

I think you're very wrong actually. How many different top deck designs can you have? They all resemble eachother in one way or another. With that said I don't know of many other hulls with those hard lines and shapes so yeah, I think it's set apart from other hulls for sure. As for the bottom deck... WAY different! Extremely deep chines, the keel is very deep, the nose rocker is unlike any other shape I've seen. My trailer bunks had to be adjusted 1.5" inward and it doesn't sit well on my beach cart. Why? BECAUSE ITS NOT THE STANDARD SHAPE OF OTHERS! I'm speaking from personal comparison. You just admitted you've seen Rickters but not so much WDK. It's PUBLIC knowledge that the Chan was based off an SXR and Rok-R. Steve did a great job incorporating those hulls into his own design. He definitely made it his own design. Same with the Aquabot. You are very confused. I'm not going to feed into your drama since that's what you want. You are obviously in the same boat as js/sj.
Aquabot and Backie Chan are both great hulls that have pushed the industry with their OWN designs. I think any intelligent person could see that. All AM hulls are based loosely off something, why only point your fingers at 1?

 

[Dirtybird]

@ N3vrSat1sfied
half way to your prediction!

 

[swapmeet]

Never mentioned bottom decks on RRP Aquabot don't know anything about them, so OK sure... Agree about SXR-CHAN-ROK bottom decks similarity. Many AM hulls are variation of SJ bottom decks.... Really nothing in my post was related to bottom decks or how anything rides. Just the design of the top deck. Thats it...
I made my point, nothing to feed, i'm done...



Please carry on with the Skibum thing...

 

[KTM434]

There are MANY hulls with either the SAME top deck and modified bottom or a very similar design, or just a carbon splash for weight savings but sold as AM. Your argument isn't valid and you didn't prove any point other than you don't know what you're talking about.
Bullet
Trinity
GT-X2
F1-Pro
Tom-21 FX-1
Wammiltons SJ
Wammiltons Octane
X-Jet
WDK carbon SJ
Many many more that are splashed off an OEM then modded.
If you don't want to have a bottom deck discussion and only want to point out similarities between top decks than you are obviously a form over function kind of guy and you are buying an AM hull for all the wrong reasons. Sugar and salt have a similar appearance but have much different uses...
Have you seen an Aquabot in person?

 

[swapmeet]

Sure, those ^^^ people didn't act like they came up with some new revolutionary design, they said, "Hey, we took something thats awesome and made it more awesome!"

Team Aquabot is offended any time someone brings up Rickter... 'Hey, that kinda looks like a Rickter....' "How dare you!!! Its completely a different design!"

I'm fine with letting this go btw... I see the points you've made. I agree with a lot of them. You know you're not going to change my mind, and I don't expect you to have some revelation because of what I'm saying. Honestly I enjoy the rebuttals, this was fun. If you want to keep arguing, i'm good with that too...


Oh speaking of Chan's and RokR's...
http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/the-backie-chan-vs-rok-r-comparison-pics.130327/

Tell me again how similar they are? LOL

"The first thing we noticed when we had the hulls side by side was how different the bottom decks were. It makes sense since the Chan is SXR based and the Rok-r is superjet based.

The Chan is wider in the nose with sponsons built into the sides of the hull
The Rok-r is 3" shorter from nose to tail (not includeing ride plates)
The ride plate designs are totally different
The BC has a much bigger tray area
The Rok-r has a fixed aluminum blade for an intake"

Yes yes... hoods are the same (its all a SXR based hood opening on WDK and Chan's), they're similar. Just stiring the pot.

 

[Bobert540]

I don't see the resemblance in the Chan and the Rok-R but i'm not disagreeing with you... why? Because i've never seen a RokR in person... I see 3 Rickters every weekend. WDK isn't a international business that people everywhere instantly recognize the shape/ style of their skis.

Its just the irony of the statement that parkersxr made and how much the bot looks like a RRP product. It pisses me off that people will judge one person for knocking off a product and saying they should be sentenced to a thousand lashings (not skibum, cause hes marketing his parts as the real deal, he deserves that crap) and then another guy adds some lines to the what is universally recognized as the Rickter shape and he somehow gets a pass.

Would you say this statement is incorrect? "Tony built his own molds/ plug from scratch but modeled the top deck after a existing highly popular international branded product already on the market."

Because thats what he's done IMO... he has plagiarized the style for his own profit, and everyone is cool with it.. and I Just. Don't. Get it.


So yes... Really...

What about the Overall hull?

How about XFT, Trinity, Wamiltons, WCF etc they all had superjet and/or sxr. Freestyle or race skis pretty much exactly like a Factory Superjet or Factory SXR with a few "tweaks" (weight/layup/hood/pump intake etc)


It's called progression.....


Copying directly for a profit is ethically wrong.

But there is always a big gray area...

Do you think Carol Shelby is getting bent out of shape cause there are replica cobras out there that he didn't manufacture?


Ride what you like and enjoy being able to afford being on the water.

 

[KTM434]

Swap, I'm not offended, just pointing out the false info in your argument. I edited my last post now that you admitted you don't care about bottom deck design (so you obviously don't care about handling or progression in your riding) and only bought an AM hull for the different top deck. My bad, I didn't realize what your argument was.

 

[swapmeet]

Swap, I'm not offended, just pointing out the false info in your argument. I edited my last post now that you admitted you don't care about bottom deck design (so you obviously don't care about handling or progression in your riding) and only bought an AM hull for the different top deck. My bad, I didn't realize what your argument was.

I'm not seasoned enough to have a strong opinion on bottom decks. Its just the attitude of Tony and his followers on the topic of the design that causes me to make such a fuss about it. If they just owned up to the deed instead of vehemently denying it, it would be different.

Do you think Carol Shelby is getting bent out of shape cause there are replica cobras out there that he didn't manufacture?

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I appreciate your intent, but Mr. Shelby was a savvy business man with a team of lawyers. He and his family are paid very well by other mfgs for the licensing of the design rights to produce replicas. "Shelby International" is getting paid for every car that is produced by another entity.

 

[SterlingSilva]

damn.... all out of popcorn :/

If you feel its wrong to splash, modify and re-name a hull then we wouldn't be left with too many options. Things have been done this way forever. Guy A makes something, Guy B modifies it and makes it better or different and renames it. And this cycle goes on again and again. If it weren't for this our sport wouldn't be where it is today.

What I do feel and hopefully most will agree is wrong is when somebody splashes a hull or part and makes no change/modification/improvement to it at all and then tries to market it as an original for profit purposes.
That takes some balls and deserves broken knees.

I cant help but wonder how as big as RRP/Rickter has grown, they dont patent their design or trademark their brand. Patents may run out in time but a trademark would make what Skibum is doing (branding his product as a Rickter) against the law.... (unless he's not selling them of course).

Regardless, I say ban him. He doesnt deserve to be part of this community and collectively by not buying any of his crap we can put him out of business

 

[Jetfiend]

Everyone has a starting point, but skibum is just a plain thief if he's trying to sell that thing.

 

[Bobert540]

I'm not seasoned enough to have a strong opinion on bottom decks. Its just the attitude of Tony and his followers on the topic of the design that causes me to make such a fuss about it. If they just owned up to the deed instead of vehemently denying it, it would be different.





I appreciate your intent, but Mr. Shelby was a savvy business man with a team of lawyers. He and his family are paid very well by other mfgs for the licensing of the design rights to produce replicas. "Shelby International" is getting paid for every car that is produced by another entity.

I don't doubt he and his family get paid but I bet there are cars out there that are not officially licensed as well. I was just using Shelby as an example since it is a well known established brand.....



I am going to go modify my red solo cup so we can start another bash thread....

 

[Dirtybird]

Hmm solo cup. Lol
Just the color of it?
0r a slight different shape with harder lines?
Or will it just fall apart if you use it?

 

[Scorn800]

I don't have a dog in this fight at all. I've only read about these jokers on the X. Both seem clueless about business.
What about using a coprighted name as your own? Has anyone ever heard of a Aquabot?
http://www.aquabot.com/residential/aquabot-classic/
It's only the best selling pool cleaner. The company Aqua Products is also based in NJ.
Don't you tink it would have been smart to google the name before using it?

 

[rhugo21]

I live in Grand Rapids and every morning before work I check craigslist. And when I get to the Detroit craigslist I Flag all Shawn aka ski bums ads. I bought his footholds not knowing anything about him and they f in suck


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[Dirtybird]

Lol if we all did that his craigslist days would slow down.
Fine job.