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- Alta Loma, CA
Not true. Many top pros are on 4 strokes now.
Surfriding New Hope For Seadoo?
- Thread starter TJR
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Not true. Many top pros are on 4 strokes now.
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- St.Louis Missouri
I really don't see where all the hype is. Once again...I think its a great direction for Seadoo...but some of you guys are talking about buying one of these, and spending thousands to hop it up..just to make it be like something that already existed. At that point its just another expensive couch, and defeated the whole purpose of it being a cheap introductory ski.
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- Ogden, Utah
Buying it and hoping it up is defeating the purpose, but don't confuse that with what it's intention is. This is an inexpensive couch for entry level riders and should be looked at in that light. It allows an entirely new demographic to enjoy the sport. Its targeted at an audience that is looking for a reliable, fuel efficient and economical way to have fun on the water. This customer base is going to be less concerned with high performance. Sure someone will end up developing a turbo or performance package and totally defeat the purpose, but for the most part I think this will be huge step for the industry. Calling it another expensive couch is a bit off in my opinion.
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Really?
Last time I saw freestyle here in aus it was all 2 strokes. They still have best power to weight.
However the motocross racers are mostly 4 stroke.
ProSouth
Seriously, Don't be a dick.
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- kawasakis suck
i never understood why they still ran 2 smokes... although i have seen some 4 strokes here lately. the 4 strokes have way more bottom end. when youre riding in a stadium theres not much get up and go room, id think you needed all the bottom end you could get, if i wasnt scared of being that high, and not over water, i'd go 4 stroke i think
Quinc
Buy a Superjet
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- California
Anyone want a supercharger for the spark?
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=412062
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=412062
Weight.... easier to throw around.
Same reason trials bikes are two stroke, and ktm still make 2t. Weight is a massive advantage in controlling a bike. Short gearing helps reduce the lack of bottom end
As for speed. They are usually at the top of a gear when they hit a ramp (consistent speed needed). And not going fast by comparison to what the bikes will do (second or third gead)
On a related note. The Yamaha Yz250 hasn't changed since 2006...
2t in bikes are as alive as a 2t stand up.
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2-stroke vs. 4-stroke debate in PWC is long over and it's not coming back (From the OEMs).
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- Rentz, GA
That's right. 2 stroke technology is lingering, not progressing. Even if you can get the emissions down to acceptable limits, they still fail based on their overall carbon footprint. The debate is over, 2 strokes are done. We can get hung up on sentimentality or we can get on the bandwagon and cheer 4 stroke technology in the right direction.
Just be thankful we have the loopholes we have because there's going to be a day when it will be an offense to even start up a 2 stroke.
Just be thankful we have the loopholes we have because there's going to be a day when it will be an offense to even start up a 2 stroke.
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- Washington, PA
Dude, I can not believe any one on here would even mention the idiotic idea of a 4 stroke turbo stand up. Or argue in defense of a four stroke watercraft. Power to weight is terrible cost is outrageous and non of that matters because its running on WATER. If you want to join the idiotic hippie movement of ignorance that sucks because the technology is there for two strokes its just no one wants to give it a chance because they are all brainwashed into ignorance that a four stroke is more reliable and makes less emissions. Go compare the brand new Evinrude E-Tec to any other four stroke on the market and tell me there is no new 2 stroke technology. Four strokes hurt the motocross industry tremendously and it has a hell of a lot more support than this world.
Glad you're here to set us straight.
Yes a two stroke does have a larger carbon footprint but a four strike emits more harmful gases and chemicals due to the load of the engine and exhaust temps.
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Half flip95
Formerly pondracer95
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- Lake Havasu City AZ
mo is betta
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The conversation on 2 stroke versus 4 stroke is off-topic and can be continued over here;
http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/139573-EPA-and-the-2-Stroke-a-k-a-2-stroke-versus-4-stroke
http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/139573-EPA-and-the-2-Stroke-a-k-a-2-stroke-versus-4-stroke
I think its a great effort Sea poo is making! I want to get one of these and drop one of our 898's in........yea buddy!!!
And I was a freestyle moto rider for years and when I raced I had 4stroke race bikes and a 2stroke freestyle bike. The weight was the deciding issue for flickability in the air. I could still throw my 4strokes into a mean whip but the 2stroke was much better.
And I was a freestyle moto rider for years and when I raced I had 4stroke race bikes and a 2stroke freestyle bike. The weight was the deciding issue for flickability in the air. I could still throw my 4strokes into a mean whip but the 2stroke was much better.
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- Washington, PA
Sorry man but I watched what 4 strokes did to one industry I love, and lived it. And it sucks. I'll shut up now lol. I will agree the ski is at least hopeful. It isnt a blaster but like a lot have said at least its the right direction.
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Don't be sorry, your comments opened my eyes to the reality of the situation. The four stroke movement is more driven by the manufactures than anything. Bombardier seems to be the only big name in watercraft still pursuing the 2 stroke but unfortunately they have never been interested in the stand up market. Yamaha and Kawi on the other hand have invested heavily in 4 stroke technology across almost all their platforms so its likely we won't be seeing much in the form of 2 strokes from them in the future.
I'm just thankful for companies like X-scream, Dasa and PHP that are willing to keep the 2 stroke alive.
I'm just thankful for companies like X-scream, Dasa and PHP that are willing to keep the 2 stroke alive.
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- Fort Worth, TX
No credit for their attempt with the 3D??? :Flush: lol