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Does that comment on a new kawi stand up have any validity?
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BigManStandUp
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U better ride one before u talk about how slow it is. I ride the spark every day, it's an awesome lil ski. I weigh 300+ and it has plenty of power even with me on it. There will be a ton of mods out for it in no time that will satisfy all you speed freaks, but this is not the ski for 100mph. Sometimes it's fun to slow down a bit and actually ride your ski, not just squeez the trigger and hold on. The big boats need little rider imput to ride, the spark actually reacts to your movements. You lean, it leans. We spend 12-15 hours every day riding the spark, and 10-13 hours is spent under 25mph. They are the freestyle ski of the couch world.
Quinc
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How do I get this job?! =)
BigManStandUp
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And for all you guys hatin on the 3D, cut it out! Ur looking at it in the wrong way. They just need to be set up the right way. Even the true stand-up only guys have had a blast on my 3D. You can't think of it as a stand-up, it too big, too heavy, and a 300+ pounder should NOT be able to stand in the tray at an idle and not even have wet feet. So we have to stop callin it a bad attempt at a stand-up, but any stand-up guy will have more fun on a 3D than an XP which has the same hull. Plus, I can run laps around my buddy who has an XP with the same motor, same pump, and same intake grate/rideplate/sponsons on our bouy course. And I weigh twice as much as him. I would love to have anyone come ride my 3D, you will have fun.
Big Kahuna
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Guys, the original SeaDoo only had about 58 hP....... people ripped up the lake on them and had more fun than they do on these newer 800lbs 1500cc 4 strokes......... The manufacturers lost sight of the "Fun Factor" that the original hulls and the X-4 hulls brought.
I've heard rumors on a new Kawasaki stand up too. Only time will tell but I really hope so.
As for the Spark, I think it looks cool as hell and can't wait to see and ride 1 this summer. If they ride as good as they say they do I will be buying 1.
BigManStandUp
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They ride great!! Just remember they are extremely light, so they are pretty bumpy in the chop. And I don't recommend long distance riding as for the seat is hard and narrow like a dirt bike. And if you get the one with the molded traction in the foot wells, you will need shoes. It is fine when your just playing around and your not thinking about your feet hurting, but long distances get pretty rough on your feet. But the molded foot wells provide amazing traction when standing up, and you will almost always be standing up.
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I really enjoy having a Seadoo factory guy on the forum. Wish we had people from other MFG's chiming in. I know most people buy used or AM, but I feel like it creates more of a direct line.
I think its great that Seadoo was able to produce such a cost effective entry level watercraft, especially a four stroke. I just dont understand what Seadoo has against standups. Why do they refuse to even attempt to make a standup? I know for a fact that they would sell way more standups in one year than they sold 3Ds throughout its entire production run. If they could produce a $5000 4 stroke sitdown, they could certainly produce a 4 stroke standup with a similar price tag.
BigManStandUp
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They aint making one for the same reason no one else is making one. Even worse, they don't have a platform to start from like Yamaha, Kawasaki, and Polaris, they are too far behind the others. The others have somewhere to start from to produce a new stand up and they still ain't doing it. The SJ don't count, been the same for like 100 years. We all know that new stand ups would sell like hot cakes, but the big companies are too focused on family oriented machines. They Must not realize that if they were affordable enough most "families" would buy more than one if they are looking for a fun family hobby. But at 8 grand, no one wants to buy two stands ups when they can get a single ski that fits the whole family for not much more.
Well they didnt have a platform for the 3D but that didnt stop them.
I know because there is actually a market for 4 stroke standups. 2 strokes are outlawed in a lot of places and they will continue to be outlawed. People want to ride standups. I dont have numbers Matt, you know that.
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Brotastic
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This site is hyper focused on stand ups. Just my $.02.... Nobody else cares, the public doesn't care, so the mfgs don't care. They'd sell some, but new OEM stand ups are done. The demand doesn't justify the engineering and tooling cost to convert to 4 stroke.
I'd like to believe the mfgs would consider it.... But it's fairly obvious where its headed. Hopefully I'm wrong.
I'd like to believe the mfgs would consider it.... But it's fairly obvious where its headed. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Sorry for calling you out, but "knowing X for a fact" is a strong statement to make.
I don't see a whole lot of Hydrospace machines around. Maybe that had a bit to do with how they are sold here. Maybe it has to do with the price.
, it probably had a LOT to do with Mo.But it's probable that any OEM looking to get into the 4-stroke standup market would look at the Hydrospace history in the US and take clues from it. If I were such an OEM, the clue would be to drop the idea.
I don't doubt that there is a fair number of standup enthusiasts looking to get 'legal' machines they can ride in their waters that currently, or in the future, ban 2-stroke machines.
I do doubt that there are enough of them to warrant an OEM fronting the development, manufacturing, and marketing cost to bring such a thing to the US market and make money at it, while being 'affordable', whatever that means.
But again, as an OEM I would take a step back and look at the big picture. What you have is a pretty small market with an uncertain legal future. From the OEM's perspective, there are far bigger fish to be had.
BigManStandUp
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Sure they did, it's just an XP hull and motor. They just flattened the rear half or the top deck and put a pole on it. Both the seats were just realized after words.
You can't be serious. The 3D was nothing but an XPL RFI and then an XPDI with a different topdeck. It was 80% there before they ever started.
OK, I am wrong about the 3D. I didn't realize it was an XP bottom.
Matt, the Hydrospace is actually in high demand, but that is probably because (like you said) you dont see too many around. Hydrospace is a very expensive standup, and they sold. My original point was that if a 4 stroke can have a $5000 price range, then perhaps a 4 stroke standup with a similar price range would sell. I'll concede this argument though. Im sure there is a significant investment from a company to actually produce a new watercraft, and if the sales aren't there its not justified.
Hopefully the Kawi 4 stroke standup rumors are true. The latest one I heard was that the 15F motor would be going into an SXR type hull, only 6 inches longer in total length.
Matt, the Hydrospace is actually in high demand, but that is probably because (like you said) you dont see too many around. Hydrospace is a very expensive standup, and they sold. My original point was that if a 4 stroke can have a $5000 price range, then perhaps a 4 stroke standup with a similar price range would sell. I'll concede this argument though. Im sure there is a significant investment from a company to actually produce a new watercraft, and if the sales aren't there its not justified.
Hopefully the Kawi 4 stroke standup rumors are true. The latest one I heard was that the 15F motor would be going into an SXR type hull, only 6 inches longer in total length.
Those rumors have been around since the early 2000's.
There were rumors that the SXR was a 4-stroke since it had a bigger hull than the SXi, but it was just a bored out 750 with new hull/hood, same old pole.