Surfriding opinions on changin wavedaze to early may next yr?

djkorn1

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i wouldnt exactly call those rides more established and larger than wavedaze. those rides dont have the draw of virginia and those rides are all the month before. .
No, they are not bigger than Wavedaze, but they are all established rides that bring ALOT of riders (combined, they have about 200 skis, way more than Wavedaze) and I'd bet alot of people if they go to a Michigan or NY ride in September for a weekend, they won't take another weekend in October.


I don't think the date is your problem. You have a decent draw for October already. I bet if more of the Wavejunkies participated on this site until the next October freeride, the ride would grow.

I'll agree, they need more exposure here on the X FOR SURE.....but I completely disagree about the date not being the problem. The date IS the problem...world finals keeps all the pro riders away and keeps the sponsors away. I think there are 8 total rides/events in Sept and Oct. If they change the date, I will almost guarantee an extra 40 skis from spring hype alone not including sponsors, teams, etc etc etc...Right now, there is no spring Surf ride at all!

Basically, I think JUST changing the date will make it the biggest WaveDaze, by far.
 
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I don't know about only being an April ride. WaveDaze is the end all be all for us! It's a nice way to end our season and all our skis our dialed in and bugs worked out. Or builds are done by then just for the ride.

Apirl would be a great way to start the year off, but at the same time for us it will be newer builds, new motors, new mods that need testing. So that kinds changes stuff.

I say do both.

Rad Dudes will do what ever we can to help again. I would be willing to do a Hitch Hauler or other parts for a give away at both dates if you did 2
 

SuziQ

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Turbo, Nick and I had a brief discussion during this past Tona Meet about splitting it (because someone suggested it in passing), and we both came to the conclusion it would decrease the numbers per each meet (people would choose one date over the other). I believe that was a smart call he made. I think that’s one of many reasons everyone travels great distances for it, (and like Woodziesmurf said) that’s why I love it!

DJ, per the pics and your vid that I saw this year, I get the impression it was a pretty cold weekend. The WJ’s Freerides I have attended in the past have been extremely pleasant weather (I was in my bikini both times, and everyone knows I get cold easily). They have a good thing going, and there is the old saying of don’t fix something unless it is broken. All they need to do is put better thought into marketing it. Again, who was the charity this year???
 
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twinturbo that second ride may very well work out for the hardcore riders,but it wont be a sponsored wavedaze event,after oct 15th its so easy to ride here it wont have to a permited sponsored ride to happen
 
i think you should stick to the october date but have an unofficial meet of riders in your april time frame. just dont label it as wavedaze. in cleveland we have all ready discused coming out a few times a year if you could get a dedicated ride area.
 
smurf,it has to be done the other way around for alot of reasons already mentioned here in the thread,mainly WF,but remember you guys wont have to deal with a dedicated ride zone on either date last weekend in april or oct 15th ride,you can launch from beach and ride where ever you want during those dates with out the need for a permit like we are dealing with on the current wavedaze date of past yrs
 

SuziQ

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My point about weather is that WJ’s have a good chance of drawing people from the various Southern States with their long-standing, current date in October, and little to none in April. The riders residing within the Northern States will travel down for warmer weather in October as well; hence, the Junkies have a better chance to draw from both Northern and Southern States with their current schedule. This is wise, if the goal is higher attendance as stated. It’s pretty simple. Then there is the packaging (which charity, etc.). I am beginning to think there was not a charity. Then there is proper marketing (which comes after all is packaged).

Promises of people showing six months from now is honestly a mute point;
whereas,
a solid historical track record of a freeride date speaks for itself.

WAS THERE A CHARITY TORR ?
HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THRUST YET TORR ?









EDIT: DJ, the sponsors have always stepped up in a big way for the Junkie’s Freerides when I attended; the raffle always lasted a long time. It appears to have been the same this year as well; I notice that Thrust is listed. Regardless of WF’s, the sponsors have contributed greatly, so that has not been the issue for the freeride to fail to grow.

http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/71577-wavedaze-2010-sponsors



My opinion, considering all, is that I fail to see the logic in the proposed date change, if the goal is higher attendance as stated. More thought in marketing (exposure/networking/charity) over the course of a year should accomplish the stated goal, as well as benefit existing freerides on this coast.
 
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djkorn1

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EDIT: DJ, the sponsors have always stepped up in a big way for the Junkie’s Freerides when I attended; the raffle always lasted a long time. Regardless of WFinals the sponsors have contributed greatly, so that has not been the issue for the freeride to fail to grow.
I meant for the sponsors to ACTUALLY SHOW UP and bring their riders with them. There will be NO pro riders at this event as long as it is in October. None of the sponsors will show up or bring tents, equipment, new products as long as it is in October. Naming the charity will not bring 1 extra rider...

I was around for the Spring Riot Rides back in the day and they were HUGE and were on a muddy lake! A large spring surf ride would be GIANT.

Moving it to April will also benefit the 3 established rides in the North. This year, I skipped two of those so I could attend Wavedaze. If Wavedaze is in October next year, I'll go to the northern rides and skip that next year. It'll have to be an every other year thing. I can't do them all.
 
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BruceSki

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Suzi you have it all wrong. It is still plenty warm here in october. We just rode sunday and the water temps in the ocean are still around 65. It's april that is cold up here and that's when all the northerners will want to come down.

Half the florida guys complain about the cold weather in january in daytona. I'm sure anywhere north of FLA is colder water and weather at any point in the year. Don't get why you are so hell bent on attracting everyone from the south. If they want to come they will come.

I agree with DJ about getting away from the time of world finals to grow it a bit more as well.

Furthermore I guess you have missed the last 4 or 5 posts where people said there are a bunch of rides in the fall in the northern states. Those will lower the numbers of people to attend WD due to the fact that not everyone can afford the time off or the money to go to multiple freerides within the same time frame.
 

SuziQ

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I don’t think it was up to you to mention the charity Wilkey; it was up to those who were promoting the ride, LONG before the ride took place. I looked at the threads on this site, as well as the WJ’s promo page and actual threads on that site; I see no mention of the chosen charity. I’ve been involved in many charity benefits in my lifetime, to say the very least. When you have a charity benefit, the number one thing you do is promote the charity first and foremost; common sense dictates that it drives your benefit. It appears this failed to happen, and that is a serious error on the promotional end; furthermore, it surprises me, for I have always considered the Junkies to be extremely efficient with management and coordination. The local charity is what establishes you within the local community, thus giving you a voice within the local community to make things happen (common sense). This cause can benefit you with city authorities and local businesses.

The idea of the sponsors being physically present, along with riders on the circuit, is totally logical to assist in all manners. The proposed date change of April is what conflicts with being right on top of another well known sponsor’s ride in March, a sponsor having a very good reputation at that, which brings you into the HUGE arena of corporate ethics; a can of worms you always wish to avoid as a host/promoter if wise. This is why I suggested attempting to work something out with that named sponsor, Thrust, who already has his ride date chosen and established (you don’t want to step on the toes of any sponsor…BIG faux pas in the eyes of many riders and other sponsors). Additionally, the proposed date change of April is only 90 days away from the Tona Meet, so you are asking much in getting many pro riders (or their sponsors) to cough up the expense of cross-country travel so soon thereafter, another gamble; in turn, that move could potentially hurt the Tona Meet on down the line (which in turn hurts the East Coast as well as the industry as a whole).

It seems that the logical and best way to avoid the major problems stated is to choose a different ride date other than April; again, the year end dates with warmer weather being when you have the better chance of drawing more participation from the riders located within both the Northern and Southern Regions. Not sure if I expressed everything well, being that I am still asleep, with having had little sleep and much to accomplish today.
 
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djkorn1

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The October date is the same distance from Tona as the April date. (about 90 days)

btw...you can't not step on the toes of a sponsored ride. You are VERY worried about the Thrust ride, but not the 3 other sponsored rides in September in the north that have gone on for 12 years, 10 years, and 3years.
 

SuziQ

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It's an actual sponsor DJ, not just a sponsored ride, and yes it is my nature to attempt to be fair, especially to reputable businesses.

Plus, it doesn't hurt to mention his chosen locale, Sebby, is one heck of a place to catch some Monster Surf on a regular basis (check the pics out), and the entire set-up of Hirams and the State Park is known by most (including the Junkies) to rock!
 
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I like the end of April too... seems like that would be a good time, maybe a tad cool, but that hasn't stopped Daytona from growing.

Suzi.....wtf,are you talking about????? selective reading and reiterating is getting REALLY old from you in this thread. Do you think this thread is for me or the wavejunkies to answer your specific ?s We know you just love the sebby rides and Hirams but come on do you think you know better than the organizers and riders already here????please stop posting in this thread,it is being takin care of and thats all you need to know.

I have even more pm mesgs about more riders wanting it in april so that they can come as well and have missed it in the past because of the oct date.We hear you and action is being taken to make this work for the masses,to recap............VVVV
 
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