Surfriding opinions on changin wavedaze to early may next yr?

[masterblaster]

brian,you think josh is in as well,if we could get a few of us together to do it,gas wouldnt be that.The yr alot of us went down to sebby was cool,make suzi happy and talk with him about his event date next time you talk with him.

few guys pmed me and said they are down for the small scale second ride around oct 15t also.i doubt any of us will ever care enough about wf to ever go anyway

 

[SuziQ]

It’s not about making me happy Torr, it’s about taking care of the sponsors who take care of you (proper business etiquette…not burning people in the back). If you are going to treat one like that (after he’s gone overboard helping one of your own), what’s to keep the others sponsors from believing you won’t turn around and do the same to them in some fashion, AFTER they step up and try to help you guys?

Furthermore, you always harp (even in this thread) about getting more freerides happening on the East Coast (which is totally great), yet it seems to me you are more interested in your own freeride than anything else honestly, regardless of whose toes you step on to try to make it happen. IF (and that’s a big if) Brian of Thrust has interest in moving his freeride to September (he has much to do to get ready for WF’s before hand mind you), then we ALL could potentially benefit by having FOUR freerides spread out on the East Coast…Jersey, Waveflunkies, Tona, and Sebby! If he can’t, then you NEED to try to work with him, for the sake of all!!

But no, you’re even trying to split things up further by stating you now suddenly desire to take up two time slots, with one of your proposed freerides (April) infringing upon an existing freeride, a sponsor’s of all things!!! :rant: It’s 100% counterproductive to everything you state you stand for honestly. You didn't even think to show HIM the courtesy of discussing it with him, and he's the nicest guy too! That part really irks me too! You must try to work together, not tear things apart!!! I’m going to post some photos of his ride here shortly down in his section, yet I am still going to hold off on most of the water shots, and you should think about it a bit more!

 

[SurferSmurf]

why do we have to consider other events anyway? the sponsors dont make up the ride, the riders do. my ski is built i dont need to win stuff in a raffle, however they are fun and nice to have and are appreciated. i personally like october the best and i usually fly by the seat of my pants for most rides anyway. if dates change for any rides i might show i might not. i just want to ride and hang out with friends and drink a ton of booze and :439: and party. i usually only go to one big ride a year and i like it to be the one most of my friends that i have met will be at. but i really dont think wavedaze would be the same on another date.

 

[SuziQ]

why do we have to consider other events anyway?

It provides coordination of the rides on the coast, so as to enable higher attendance at each one (the reason this thread was generated); the higher the attendance, the more beneficial the ride is to all parties involved:

1.) the chosen charity- (which is the most important part, or at least should be).
2.) those hosting- (provides them more pull with their local authorities and businesses for future freerides),
3.) the community it is located within, stirring the economy- (ie. “A Lake Havasu City Convention and Visitor’s Bureau survey conducted during the 2009 races determined the competition brings $5.5 million into the community. The CVB gave the IJSBA $15,000 to help market the event this year. WF drew an estimated $15 mil last year…”)
4.) those sponsoring- (generates business within our own industry),
5.) those attending- (you get to have more fun due to all),

the sponsors dont make up the ride

Surely you jest? The sponsors contribute much to the ride. It is a symbiotic relationship.

my ski is built i dont need to win stuff in a raffle

perhaps consider others besides just yourself. Not everyone’s ski is built to their needs, let alone dreams, plus your ski can easily break. If you do not participate in the raffle, you do not do all you can to benefit the chosen charity (which again is very important).

i personally like october the best and i usually fly by the seat of my pants for most rides anyway. if dates change for any rides i might show i might not. i just want to ride and hang out with friends and drink a ton of booze and :439: and party.

:439::friday::stooges::cheer::Banane57::Banane01::bigok:

i usually only go to one big ride a year and i like it to be the one most of my friends that i have met will be at.

and that's why coordinating them with one another is beneficial, so your odds of that are increased. Plus, it is simply considerate to everyone.

but i really dont think wavedaze would be the same on another date.

well no, because the date would be different (just a bit of dry humor :wave

 

[steve-uk]

if you consider the demographics for wavedaze the majority or riders came from the far north, Cleveland, New York, Canada, etc even if you just took the skis and people that came from these areas they probably made up over half of the attendees

for anyone from Canada its a 14 hour drive, Florida is a 22-24 hour drive, coming from new york or cleveland you only shave a couple of hours off this journey, wavedaze serves a totally different market with a slight over lap.

some people do two main rides a year (those that are a distance away), daytona (opener) and wavedaze (closer), and stay local for the rest of the year.

i think what smurf is saying about the sponsorers not making up the ride at wavedaze is because none are present, and if you took away the sponsorers at this particular ride you would simply loose the raffle.

put it to the vote, ask the people that attended this year and plan to attend next year - a poll can simply be added

let the riders decide rather than all the other bs about confliction another ride

 

[SuziQ]

if you consider the demographics for wavedaze the majority or riders came from the far north, Cleveland, New York, Canada, etc even if you just took the skis and people that came from these areas they probably made up over half of the attendees

That is an interesting statement. List the rider’s names from outside the State of Virginia who attended this year, along with their home state.

i think what smurf is saying about the sponsorers not making up the ride at wavedaze is because none are present, and if you took away the sponsorers at this particular ride you would simply loose the raffle.

let the riders decide rather than all the other bs about confliction another ride

It is further interesting that you think symbiotic relationships (ie. sponsors) are “bs”. Symbiotic relationships are necessary, whether they come from inside our industry, or outside of our industry:

http://www.learnthat.com/define/view.asp?id=338


Our industry currently has two squeezes within the United States. Everyone is currently discussing the restrictions to be implemented shortly. We also have the restrictions as to where we are permitted to operate as well. This is one of the reasons why military could be a good symbiotic relationship to attempt to forge; we could benefit our military as a whole (particularly our boys), and they could benefit us.

The East Coast is soon to feel more of the extreme restrictions the West Coast has been suffering for quite some time. The West Coast has been working together quite well and hard for a long time, and it is imperative we learn from them now, for our time is coming quickly. Another link below is one of many examples it continues to head our way, and why it is crucial for us to work together in planning, if we wish to grow things to gain support:

July 2009 - Section: 1.5(a)1k:
http://www.nps.gov/cana/parkmgmt/upload/compendium2009.pdf

 

[Nascency Chris]

Remember when freerides were just people getting together for fun... no raffles, no sponsors... overorganization is putting a huge damper on rides imo...

 

[SuziQ]

Those are the best freerides in one sense, and I hope they continue for many years to come. With the various restrictions coming down so fast and tightly upon all of us now, I believe it is going to become less and less of an opportunity, unfortunately (common sense); hence, I’m trying to look at the big picture. My point is, I think we have bigger dampers to be concerned with now.

I think the Junkies are in an excellent position (due to locale and existing track record) to equal or surpass the positive exposure that WF’s produces on the West Coast. I believe this can happen if they play their cards correctly with the military charity, again due to their locale. I can easily envision the West Coast doing their part with WF’s in October, and the East Coast contributing as well in October, simultaneously. In doing so, I think the East Coast can be of great assistance with the dilemma we all face.

 

[masterblaster]

once again this thread is going way off base,we have heard enough of this repetitive postings...its being takin care of !

steve...alot of sponsors have told us they would love to come if we did it in last weekend of april instead of close to WF,We do this freeride for the single most important reason of getting riders together to rip and have fun,the charity,the benefits with the city "which is basically none after 4 yrs"and making "everyone" happy are a distant second. so you are pretty much right on

chris,right with ya on that one,thats why we will be doing a less organized ride after oct 15th for the die hards who are interested,it is more fun when you can get sponsors to show up at a freeride though,having skis to demo and new stuff to check out,shirts made up and other supporting efforts as well.

 

[Nascency Chris]

once again this thread is going way off base,we have heard enough of this repetitive postings...its being takin care of !

steve...alot of sponsors have told us they would love to come if we did it in last weekend of april instead of close to WF,We do this freeride for the single most important reason of getting riders together to rip and have fun,the charity,the benefits with the city "which is basically none after 4 yrs"and making everyone happy are a distant second. so you are pretty much right on

not for nothin, but i am in the same boat as many others... have never even attempted to make the ride because of dates... this time of year just sucks lol... april would be cool and alot more doable...

 

[steve-uk]

Remember when freerides were just people getting together for fun... no raffles, no sponsors... overorganization is putting a huge damper on rides imo...

this is bang on, the main reason alot of us go is to meet up with some people we only ride with once a year, the riding at times almost becomes secondary ...

once again this thread is going way off base,we have heard enough of this repetitive postings...its being takin care of !

steve...alot of sponsors have told us they would love to come if we did it in last weekend of april instead of close to WF,We do this freeride for the single most important reason of getting riders together to rip and have fun,the charity,the benefits with the city "which is basically none after 4 yrs"and making everyone happy are a distant second. so you are pretty much right on

chris,right with ya on that one,thats why we will be doing a less organized ride after oct 15th for the die hards who are interested,it is more fun when you can get sponsors to show up at a freeride though,having skis to demo and new stuff to check out,shirts made up and other supporting efforts as well.

Torr, my opinion, the wave junkies need to do what the majority of past wavedaze attendees would like and what would benefit the ride/experience and ignore the rest of the noise

wether you guys have it at the beginning of the year or the end we will be there, as we have for the last few years

the addition of the sponsors actually at the ride would be great also

in regards for the actual demographics at the ride i obvioulsy dont have that, maybe the wave junkies can post something up from that

i do know that there was around ten skis from canada and there was a large crew from New york, New jersey and Cleveland

 

[SuziQ]

We do this freeride for the single most important reason of getting riders together to rip and have fun,the charity,the benefits with the city "which is basically none after 4 yrs"...

I think you can gain some serious benefits with the city, if you have a heavy-hitting, local sponsor outside of our industry, and we could all sure use and benefit from that (especially you guys). I keep suggesting military, because it drives your local economy.

What input did Brian get back from Thrust?

 

[Flyinbysti]

I know we had a whole crew down there this past ride with a bunch of X2's from CT.

 

[firemedicmonkey]

I think that the end of April would be an awesome time to have WaveDaze... Like it has been stated over and over in this thread... There would be a huge draw for northern riders itching to ride post Daytona...

Sept / Oct is slammed full of northern freerides, almost one every single weekend in Sept... The fall is also wave season here on Lake Erie where we finally get the North winds we have been waiting for all season.... Also for those with families fall is back to school time and kids start doing activities that can't easily be put on hold for a week trip to VA Beach... In the fall our riding is reduced to one or two choice days each week. This is the reason I have not been able to make WD in the past. The fall is just too busy of a time for me. I like the idea of a season ending ride but the dates / time never seems to work for me.

The spring is usaully a time where school and activities are winding down before the summer hits... I think generally people have more time and money on there hands due to staying inside and warm all winter. Spring would rock especially for us northern riders.

All that being said there is always going to be a trade off to the dates you choose. There will always be people who can come one time and not another... There will always be other rides with dates close to the one you pick. You have to define your demographic and decided who you think will attend and at what porportion to the dates you choose. It seems that spring may be the way to go...

If its in April count me in...

 

[masterblaster]

firemedic,thats the kinda informative posts we are looking for from people traveling from long distance to get here,$,weather and timing are the biggest issues,you make a very good point with alot of that.most our demographic dont have kids old enough to be in school yet,but the ones who do can still make a weekend out of it. The die hard younger guys are the ones coming in for close to a week.

 

[djkorn1]

I agree with Monkey 100%.

*Spring would bring a huge anticipation or 'stoked factor' from all the North that are staring at their skis in a garage covered in snow. Riot Ride was HUGE back in the day as a riding season starter.

*Spring also moves the ride away from 3 established larger rides in the north. (WaveRave, FSF and the NY Team Extreme Ride)

*Spring moves it away from World Finals (Huge for Sponsors to attend)

*Spring moves it away from the start of School. (Great for parents)

DJ, surely you know Brian of Thrust Innovations started his benefit just this year (March). There is a ride thread on it, and it was in Wetracer Magazine.

No, I don't know who Thrust Innovations is, But, there are freerides every month, and March is pretty far from the last week in April. Maybe Brian could pull his back a week or two. I don't even know where the location is, but it must be somewhere south.

 

[SuziQ]

Torr asked Wilkey to contact him to work something out DJ, so perhaps they are still discussing it. I posted to inquire, but haven’t seen a reply from Wilkey as of yet.

 

[WILKEY]

I really don't wanna get in the middle of it................... torr knows his number and knows how to pm... all i do is hear a date and go.

 

[SurferSmurf]

*Spring also moves the ride away from 3 established larger rides in the north. (WaveRave, FSF and the NY Team Extreme Ride)

i wouldnt exactly call those rides more established and larger than wavedaze. those rides dont have the draw of virginia and those rides are all the month before. october does not interfere with anything in the north.

 

[SuziQ]

Wilkey, that seems most appropriate, since it is Torr’s thread.

You say you wish to grow the freeride and want opinions Torr. I don't think the date is your problem. You have a decent draw for October already. I bet if more of the WJ’s participated on this site until the next October freeride, the ride would grow. It’s kind of hard to grow a ride with lack of exposure. The pics from this recent freeride are almost nonexistent on this site, and most riders are on this site. I don’t even know what charity it benefited this year…which one was it?