SB Billet / DASA Lamey v.s. WDK 1200 / GP Conversion

[WB800BLASTER]

Very NICE.

OK so I will ask the question what’s better Brian/Lamey or WDK 1200 setup? Not starting crap here but if you break it down what would give the consumer the best all around package? (HP, Displacement, Cost & reliability)

Make corrections if I’m wrong.

Brian/Lamey 90mm piston16mm crank 62T
1300 crank, 2800 cases, 3000 Cylinder, head, PV, Ported. Rest is stock of the shelf
Base Cost $ 7100
90 x 90 x .7854 x 84mm x 2 / 1000 = 1068.77 cc
HP?? No idea.


WDK
90mm, 78mm stock crank 66E
Bed Plate $400, carb 90 $400, Base motor Case, crank, cylinder, head piston ,PV, Pipe $ 8000. ( Can someone confirm this number I have herd its $ 8k). Rest is stock of the shelf
Base cost $ 8800.
90 x 90 x .7854 x 78 x 2 /1000 = 992.43
HP?? No idea I guess it would be more as the base 66E is 118 to 120 stock.


Disclaimer:
I jet ski for the love of it, I do not claim to know anything as I’m dumb and stupid. If you don’t like what I said then go ride your Blaster, Superjet, Couch, Wife, Girl friend, Boy friend or what ever makes you stop whining, crying and complaining.

 

[waxhead]

If it was me i would go for one ofr brians setups with a 15mm crank and an 84mm piston
all the ough two stroke engines use a square bore ratio
and 84/84 engine would be excellent

 

[Waterdawg Kustomz]

Very NICE.

OK so I will ask the question what’s better Brian/Lamey or WDK 1200 setup? Not starting crap here but if you break it down what would give the consumer the best all around package? (HP, Displacement, Cost & reliability)

Make corrections if I’m wrong.

This is very simple.

62T breakdown. 1200WDK breakdown

Cases $2800 Cases $577 machined
Crank $1300 Crank $650 all work done
Pipe-powerfactor $1400 Pipe WDK dry $1500
Cylinder $3000 Cylinders $3900
Intake/reeds RAD $600 Billet intake/reeds RAD $699
Billet front cover (cant get) Billet front cover $299

Total $9100 Total $7625 Assembled

This is the true breakdown part by part. I didn't add the front cover price to the 1200 total because I didn't add a price to the 62t because you can't get one. Also, this is the 1200 price assembled using premium parts like ARP bolts, copper gaskets, etc. I am not trying to start anything here, just showing an honest comparison.

Jeff

 

[Big Kahuna]

This is very simple.

62T breakdown. 1200WDK breakdown

Cases $2800 Cases $577 machined
Crank $1300 Crank $650 all work done
Pipe-powerfactor $1400 Pipe WDK dry $1500
Cylinder $3000 Cylinders $3900
Intake/reeds RAD $600 Billet intake/reeds RAD $699
Billet front cover (cant get) Billet front cover $299

Total $9100 Total $7625 Assembled

This is the true breakdown part by part. I didn't add the front cover price to the 1200 total because I didn't add a price to the 62t because you can't get one. Also, this is the 1200 price assembled using premium parts like ARP bolts, copper gaskets, etc. I am not trying to start anything here, just showing an honest comparison.

Jeff

What is the true delivery time of a complete WDK motor with Exhaust system and Manifold (Intake and Exhaust).

 

[2lick]

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[waterfreak]

This is very simple.

62T breakdown. 1200WDK breakdown

Cases $2800 Cases $577 machined
Crank $1300 Crank $650 all work done
Pipe-powerfactor $1400 Pipe WDK dry $1500
Cylinder $3000 Cylinders $3900
Intake/reeds RAD $600 Billet intake/reeds RAD $699
Billet front cover (cant get) Billet front cover $299

Total $9100 Total $7625 Assembled

This is the true breakdown part by part. I didn't add the front cover price to the 1200 total because I didn't add a price to the 62t because you can't get one. Also, this is the 1200 price assembled using premium parts like ARP bolts, copper gaskets, etc. I am not trying to start anything here, just showing an honest comparison.

Jeff

Here's a big difference...62t custom billet cases vs OEM cast 66e cases that are modified with epoxy. the Same with 62t cases when going to a lamey set up. I love the idea that the cases are solid billet without the need for modifications.
Not trying to stir ...just comparing apples to apples!

 

[wsuwrhr]

To be completely fair, did you account for the initial cost of the GP cases and crank?

I understand why you replied, but I would prefer to start another thread and talk about the merits of each, if you don't mind.

Brian

This is very simple.

62T breakdown. 1200WDK breakdown

Cases $2800 Cases $577 machined
Crank $1300 Crank $650 all work done
Pipe-powerfactor $1400 Pipe WDK dry $1500
Cylinder $3000 Cylinders $3900
Intake/reeds RAD $600 Billet intake/reeds RAD $699
Billet front cover (cant get) Billet front cover $299

Total $9100 Total $7625 Assembled

This is the true breakdown part by part. I didn't add the front cover price to the 1200 total because I didn't add a price to the 62t because you can't get one. Also, this is the 1200 price assembled using premium parts like ARP bolts, copper gaskets, etc. I am not trying to start anything here, just showing an honest comparison.

Jeff

 

[Waterdawg Kustomz]

To be completely fair, did you account for the initial cost of the GP cases and crank?

That is the cost of the complete crank and case with all modifications that are necessary. Stock Gp 800 cases are $377 and new crank is $375. The additional cost is for the machine work.

This will be the last post I will make about this on your thread. I do not want to distract from what you have done. I am very impressed, and truely comprehend what it is that you are doing. Keep up the good work, and make a billet front cover for that BEAST!!!!!

Jeff

 

[wsuwrhr]

Thanks and thankyou!!!

Crazy, new stock Yamaha 701 cases are 500 bucks retail I think, and new stock Yamaha
701 crank assembly is 1000 bucks retail. Why is the GP(R?)800 so much less?

Brian

That is the cost of the complete crank and case with all modifications that are necessary. Stock Gp 800 cases are $377 and new crank is $375. The additional cost is for the machine work.

This will be the last post I will make about this on your thread. I do not want to distract from what you have done. I am very impressed, and truely comprehend what it is that you are doing. Keep up the good work, and make a billet front cover for that BEAST!!!!!

Jeff

 

[waterfreak]

Thanks and thankyou!!!

Crazy, new stock Yamaha 701 cases are 500 bucks retail I think, and new stock Yamaha
701 crank assembly is 1000 bucks retail. Why is the GP(R?)800 so much less?

Brian

Here you go. this is from worldofpowersports.com oem parts microfish
66E-15100-10-8P CRANKCASE ASSY $542.54 $542.54 66E-11400-00-00 CRANKSHAFT ASSY $883.31 $883.31

 

[2lick]

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[wsuwrhr]

That is one sexy bitch...

100% billet.

 

[RiverRat]

That is one sexy bitch...

100% billet.

Yeah its billet........but I don't get it? Why do a 62t? The materials are better but the design is practically the same. If you can do all that why not go all out and redesign a system from the ground up. Make everything better. Will the cases be CNC ported or do you have to do it by hand. If that is the case, won't that be 2800 down the tubes for precision cases?

 

[Big Kahuna]

Hunter, the number of people running at 66v motor setup is only a small percentage of the number of people running 62T based setups. Plus, most do not want to fool with having to do the modifications necessary to install the 800 motor. Let along fool with WDK.

Have you ever heard to each his own. Personally, I am not gonna spend $2800.00 on a set of billet cases.. But with the design and R&D they have opened up the ability to run much longer strokes than you could with the OEM cases.

Instead of downing Brian, why not embrace new innovation. You know it is what helps this sport grow.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I think Jeff is probably getting the stock Yami parts at closer to dealer cost,those prices you posted form world of powersports are straight retail,they have a dealer pricing as well.I know I am setup with several dealers and receive huge discounts on OEM parts,the mark up on OEM parts is incredible,I usually pay close to 60% of retail and remember they are still making money when they sell me the parts.

 

[MTRHEAD]

Since these are forsale would you please post a picture without the cylinder on top. We would like to see the transfer work.

On the 66e...wasn't Lamey part of the Yamaha development on that twin in the mid 90's? I remember reading that he was under contract on that motor.
maybe it was for nothing more than D&R testing in the USA

thanks

 

[superramjet]

lot a parts being compared here that arent actually available or even tested

 

[dbrutherford]

How about comparing an EME 1105 since we are comparing things...

 

[wsuwrhr]

Her s a little ancient history for you guys....

The 701 was a running engine when Dan came along, Yamaha asked him to build a cylinder for the race team in the 80's. Hence the Lamey was born. Consequently dominated the racing curcuit to the point where if you weren't sponsored by Yamaha or had that cylinder, you were there to lose, it really killed PWC racing.

It was light years ahead of anything out there at the time, there weren't many choices but modifying the factory cylinder. After that cylinder, he developed a cylinder for the Bashee, with the same results.

Yamaha also asked Dan to design the GPR motor, namely the "R" cylinder, he did a ton of development on it after it was made as well. The GPR800 was also originally designed to be straight up, that year Seadoo came out with their new motor and it was slanted, so Yamaha slanted theirs too.

Problem is it never ran smooth because the motor wasn't designed to run slanted and it didn't "know" which way to vibrate, hense it didn't run very smooth.


Billet case:

The transfer area looks similar to the factory case, and is configured to match the Dasa billet big bore cylinder. The stock deck case is configured to match the small bore Dasa cylinder.

Being as I am making these cases from a solid block of aluminum, I can configure the port design any which way a custumer wants.

This motor configuration hasn't been real world tested, so the port design is not set in stone. I am sure there will be little tweaks here and there by DASA and by the other motor builders interested in the new motor.

At this time I am don't feel it is prudent to release detailed pictures of the cases like you are asking for, sorry.

Brian

Since these are forsale would you please post a picture without the cylinder on top. We would like to see the transfer work.

On the 66e...wasn't Lamey part of the Yamaha development on that twin in the mid 90's? I remember reading that he was under contract on that motor.
maybe it was for nothing more than D&R testing in the USA

thanks

 

[Idok]

interesting history!!!