State of the industry - 2021

State of the industry.

Just talking with some of my friends about what’s going on in the industry. We’re facing some interesting times; no more 2 strokes made by Yamaha, high market demand of mainstream water craft, shortages of all kinds of parts, Factory pipe production???, and now MSD total loss going away. I just want to break this down by parts and get your input. I’m by no means an industry insider, just talk to a lot of people. Just shooting off the cuff to spark conversation and info sharing.



Hulls:

  • I’ve heard Rickter Edge hulls have their production que full for 2021, which is great for them. If anyone else knows about the availability of their other hulls, feel free to chime in.
  • Tigercraft has been making a bunch of hulls and I hear of 4 month wait time is pretty typical. Not sure where they are today.
  • Lee Stone products Revolver Pro series is hot now, and apparently a long wait time.
Motors:

  • Dasa is back up making motors again, so that’s good.
  • TPE is supported by Paul Lehr and we can hope for more great things to come here. I’m expecting great things. Lots of stock, shorter wait times, great service (per usual). TPE pistons and other accessories stocked by Paul now.
  • Xscream and Phil Clemmens put out a 1015cc 10 mil stroke, but unsure of future production.
  • Paul Lehr, Jetmaniac offer porting services
  • Crankshafts: Competitive Crankworks in Idaho were great for me. I’ve heard Crankworks was quite a bit more expensive
  • Anyone forsee any supply issues with 62T crank cases going into the future? Not sure how long Yamaha will stock those.
Pumps:

  • Torrent still pumping out great stuff. Pumps, shafts, bearing kits, all top notch. Some of the high end stuff like the Ninja pump can have a long wait time.
  • Skat trak pumps still available. A good option for light weight competitive design.
  • I think the Silber pumps have stopped being produced.
  • Xscream and Phil Clemmens made a new pump, don’t know any details
Gas tanks:

  • Thrust tanks are no longer made. Those ones that fit well with laydown pipes. 4.5 gallon and what not, no longer made, hard to get
  • Cold fusion 4.5 gallon tanks are Out of Stock, not sure if they’ll make anymore but hopefully. The best option when using a b pipe.
  • Limited Slip tanks no longer being produced.
  • RRP rear tanks have been in short supply. Not sure when you’ll be able to get them.
  • I ordered two OEM tanks, one came quick, the other took 2 months. Don’t know if these will ever become short supply or not
Electronics:

  • MSD total loss stuff (just today I heard about this) will no longer be available. Not sure the details of this, but read on another thread about circuit boards not available. Don’t know if this will eventually include the Enhancer CDI.
  • Zealtonics new revision is out, smaller, no vampire draw. Heavier flywheels. Would be nice to get an aftermarket light flywheel for total loss
Midshafts

OEM Housings: Buddy and I have had some on order for 6 months. Who knows.

Exhaust

  • Factory pipe has been pushing back production of b pipes from months. I’m thinking one or two more production run, then who knows. Wonder when they’ll phase it out with the 21 4 stroke Superjet out.
  • RRP carbon pipes seem to come and go. Get one if you can if you need one.
  • Power Factors always seem to be available, which is great.
  • TNT are no longer made


Point out some other areas of weakness.



This has got me thinking with the increased demand in mainstream products, our small sport may suffer. Aftermarket has opportunity to make up in some of these areas but who knows.



What are your thoughts?
 
If MSD is no longer a option going forward I am hoping you Big Brains get moving on a kit to adapt zeeltronics on the 66E. WDK and TJ i believe also use 66E on their motors so this "could" be a profitable area.
 
With the sudden popularity of the 2021 SJ I am anticipating an industry revival/reset of sorts. It is already clear that some of the 2 stroke parts manufactures have begun to offer some really creative/innovative stuff and perhaps some of this innovation could trickle back to older models/engines.

Personally I would like to see a push towards direct injection retrofits, legitimate efi retrofits, and 4 stroke performance innovations.
 

MarkWalker

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With Brian Sizemore and Paul Lehr taking over TPE. That's in great hands.
I heard about the MSD thing a few weeks ago. Hopefully like in the past, another performance company will step in and take them over.
I see the lack of fuel tanks being a problem.
I also have been waiting on a new OE mid-shaft housing since late November!
I picked up a set of mint 62T cases and put them in a storage container in the basement a few weeks ago. For the same reason you mentioned.
You can never tell what the future holds. But from what I seen and heard at Daytona this year it is promising. So many 1st timers there.
 
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Raddudes is making tanks still.

701industries was bought out and under new management.

KRASH is making RTR skis. Hopefully getting better as time goes on.

Waxracing is steadily coming out with great well priced parts.


@user_error The EFI kits are very reasonably priced. Not sure why they are not more popular though.
 
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I think that Skat needs to be thrown into that mix too of items to watch. Quality has gone way down. Props come in all over the place. Maybe it’s a COVID thing
 
I'm so glad I finally got a b pipe locally a few years ago. I never thought it would get this bad. @Big Kahuna let us know if protec gets back to you please.

Is MSD done done or are they just getting out of the stand up game
 

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Raddudes is making tanks still.

701industries was bought out and under new management.

KRASH is making RTR skis. Hopefully getting better as time goes on.

Waxracing is steadily coming out with great well priced parts.


@user_error The EFI kits are very reasonably priced. Not sure why they are not more popular though.

following up on RadDudes. the welder David Brochuraski is now the force behind RadDudes Freestyle.
i was able to get to know him a little at Daytona. His Tanks and water boxes are top notch.
he has other plans for new products, as well as keeping many of the past RadDudes products.
wishing them a solid future!

thanks for the Kind words on LPW & our TPE project. While the sport is certainly heading into its next phase of growth.
You can be sure, Ill continue to do the best I can to support it. Thank you all that have supported me the past 35+ years, in Watercraft!

ski ya, Paul
 
The new Superjet will bring a whole new market
I'm really looking forward to all the 4 stroke parts coming out.
I almost feel that it’ll top out fast. We already have a slew of parts. Throw another 2k at it and you’ll have a nicely setup SJ.
I am excited to see engine mods and that kind of stuff.
 

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If MSD is no longer a option going forward I am hoping you Big Brains get moving on a kit to adapt zeeltronics on the 66E. WDK and TJ i believe also use 66E on their motors so this "could" be a profitable area.
I run zeel on an XS1200 (66e) with a chopped up gp800 front cover. You can also run the very expensive wdk cover. I have a post or two in the zeel thread about it.
 

smokeysevin

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I think solas is still around but don't quote me on that.

On the 4 stroke side I have been waiting for 6 months now on 2 sets of piston rings for my kawi 1.5l which shares rings with like 3 other families of motors. No idea what is going on with that but it is keeping my vortech motor from getting built.

Sean
 
I think solas is still around but don't quote me on that.

On the 4 stroke side I have been waiting for 6 months now on 2 sets of piston rings for my kawi 1.5l which shares rings with like 3 other families of motors. No idea what is going on with that but it is keeping my vortech motor from getting built.

Sean
What size is the bore?
 

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Would love some info on the state of carbs. I guess not much has changed? Everybody seems hot on the SE carbs right now. Seems like XS52s are kinda meh, novis are great as are FS but he puts out a new version every year which is ... idk, strange? Haven’t heard much about other big carb mfgs or ET 52s (which are wildly expensive compared to the competition)
 
Raddudes is making tanks still.

701industries was bought out and under new management.

KRASH is making RTR skis. Hopefully getting better as time goes on.

Waxracing is steadily coming out with great well priced parts.


@user_error The EFI kits are very reasonably priced. Not sure why they are not more popular though.

If I recall they had issues getting them working properly and the idea was abandoned. Perhaps I am wrong but that's the last I recall. It would be awesome to see something come of that technology.
 
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