Upgrade cases or ignition??

[accbr]

I currently have a ported 61x motor running 180 compression, 46mm carb, lightened flywheel, cutback concord 13/16, fs cone, and a stock cdi with no rev limiter. I'll be getting a b-pipe too.

What would give the most bang for the buck? Upgrading to 62t cases with single carb manifold or total loss ignition? Seems like these go for about the same amount if you can find them used. I don't want to run dual carbs, and I've read all the threads about them. I know total loss ignitions aren't simple either. Just curious what most people would recommend.

edit: looking for more bottom end.

 

[WaveDemon]

why not an advent or inferno ignition?

 

[crammit442]

TL for sure.:biggthumpup: Not even close.:biggthumpup:

Charles

 

[crammit442]

why not an advent or inferno ignition?

Not even close in bottom end snap, IMO. Plus, where do you go when your inferno blows up? Not much feedback from real people running them as of now, either. Maybe one or two. There are lots of spare MSD TL parts around. Before anyone flames, that's just my opinion.:biggrin:

Charles

 

[accbr]

why not an advent or inferno ignition?

Don't they cost quite a bit more?

I was figuring

62t cases $230
single carb mani $100
gasket set $70
total $400

MSD total loss on ebay ~$400

I already have an extra battery. I know somebody is gonna say both :biggrin:

 

[WaveDemon]

Not even close in bottom end snap, IMO. Plus, where do you go when your inferno blows up? Not much feedback from real people running them as of now, either. Maybe one or two. There are lots of spare MSD TL parts around. Before anyone flames, that's just my opinion.:biggrin:

Charles

I see, probably not bad advice. I don't know about the other guy but like him I'm thinking about upgrading electronics but I'm not a fan of open electronics since I ride in the ocean/gulf.

 

[yamaslut]

70$ for gaskets???

I got a fuel cap for 50$, if your interested... j/k :biggrin:

seriously....

What about porting?

 

[crammit442]

I see, probably not bad advice. I don't know about the other guy but like him I'm thinking about upgrading electronics but I'm not a fan of open electronics since I ride in the ocean/gulf.

Installation is the key. You can always rig it to be enclosed in an OEM box or other housing like Geraban does also. The bottom end hit is hard to beat.

Charles

 

[Matt_E]

If you are wanting to switch to 62T cases and single carb, you need to figure in about 300-350 bucks for the manifold. Use the ATP manifold, not the Kawi one.

IMHO, doing that swap would be almost a waste of money. For the same amount, you can get much larger gains by going TL or porting the cylinder.

62T cases will buy you very little real difference.

BTW, be aware that TL systems need a lot of care to install right - or they crap out real fast, especially in salt water.

 

[accbr]

I see, probably not bad advice. I don't know about the other guy but like him I'm thinking about upgrading electronics but I'm not a fan of open electronics since I ride in the ocean/gulf.

I ride in freshwater. Hope to hit the surf sometime.

70$ for gaskets???

I got a fuel cap for 50$, if your interested... j/k :biggrin:

seriously....

What about porting?

Sold. Is it carbon fiber? That could save me some weight. :Banane01: I think I paid $60 for a gasket set when I built the 61x.

The cases were ported when I got them. Don't know who did them though. I ported the cylinder myself using the Race Logic templates. The motor hits pretty good, but I don't have anything to compare it to. I just sold my 6m6 shortblock for $300, and I can't seem to leave things alone. :banghead:

 

[accbr]

Installation is the key. You can always rig it to be enclosed in an OEM box or other housing like Geraban does also. The bottom end hit is hard to beat.

Charles

I saw the pics he posted. Looked pretty cool. I have a friend that works at a sign shop that can get me some plexy glass and make a box for cheap.

 

[accbr]

If you are wanting to switch to 62T cases and single carb, you need to figure in about 300-350 bucks for the manifold. Use the ATP manifold, not the Kawi one.

IMHO, doing that swap would be almost a waste of money. For the same amount, you can get much larger gains by going TL or porting the cylinder.

62T cases will buy you very little real difference.

BTW, be aware that TL systems need a lot of care to install right - or they crap out real fast, especially in salt water.

Really :bigeyes: I was looking at the Riva single intakes you see on ebay occasionally for 100 to 150. It would be cheaper to find some dual oem carbs for the 62t cases. I have all winter to piece this together.

I've read your threads and others about setting up a TL ignition. So I'm not scared of installing one. I'll keep the stock stuff as a back up.

 

[waxhead]

Not even close in bottom end snap, IMO. Plus, where do you go when your inferno blows up? Not much feedback from real people running them as of now, either. Maybe one or two. There are lots of spare MSD TL parts around. Before anyone flames, that's just my opinion.:biggrin:

Charles

If it blows up you talk to me

I dont think i am a hard guy to get hold of

there is quite a few guys in australia running them with great results

can you get better support than that i dont see advent or msd on here offering advice and help

 

[eschberg]

The ATP manifold is $235 shipped to the US right now... You have to factor out the tax that is in it for the UK (17.5%).

 

[Matt_E]

I'll keep the stock stuff as a back up.

Very good!
The issue with the Kawi single intake and adapter for 62T cases is that the runners are very small,and the angles weird.
There is the issue of not being able to run WOT for more than a few seconds before the motor leans out.
Apparently, the manifold is to blame.
The ATP manifold was actually designed for the Yamaha motor - the Kawi manifold is the for 650 Kawi motor.
IMHO, if you want single carb on a 62T performance motor, don't short-change yourself on the manifold.

 

[Matt_E]

The ATP manifold is $235 shipped to the US right now... You have to factor out the tax that is in it for the UK (17.5%).

I get $250 before shipping using that calculation.

 

[WaveDemon]

If it blows up you talk to me

I dont think i am a hard guy to get hold of

there is quite a few guys in australia running them with great results

you were talking about getting a new manufacturer before. have you got that sorted out? what is the price shipped in US $. I'm pretty sure I'm picking up some ignition when I sell my blaster. I downloaded the tuning program and like it's flexibility.

 

[accbr]

If it blows up you talk to me

I dont think i am a hard guy to get hold of

there is quite a few guys in australia running them with great results

can you get better support than that i dont see advent or msd on here offering advice and help

How much? You have a good point. The only advice I've seen for MSD or Advent has been on these forums, but there's alot of people using them.

 

[waxhead]

I am working on it now
i will post some pics soon

the price is australian $800
i am not sure what that is in american
about 600 i expect
when you consdier the only ignition that offers the same sort of tunabilty is a vilder except the vilder only goes to 27 degrees advance and its a 1000 american if you can get one
i think its good value

 

[eschberg]

I get $250 before shipping using that calculation.

124.00 GBP = 236.512 USD

Per email from Chris/ATP.
The ATP single Manifold is £104 to you as you don't pay our counties VAT. Cheapest shipping method is approx £20