Super Jet Who is running epic hx3 on 61x?
- Thread starter jaxrider
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This ^^^
I would like to know what components need to be in great working order before attempting to run an hx3.
Fro Diesel
creative control
- Location
- Kzoo
Are you running four epics?
- Location
- central florida
I have the original Epic in 3 of my skis, and in one of my friends skis- all are working well. They do like a proper bat voltage while cranking.
- Location
- central florida
Good battery with at least 12.4v ocv and good cables and starter so voltage while cranking wont drop too low, stator with a charge coil that is not "tired"- (check resistance brown to ground). Engines that have very high compression have more current draw while cranking- thus lower voltage. ( if near shore, lift pump up to reduce drag). Be sure to insulate the programming cable plug (Mik. n/s cover works well)
- Location
- South Florida
Paul Lehr swears by those plugs and I have run them a while with no issues. I used them with a Flame1 and Flame2 ignition.
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- central florida
I don't wish to upset those who are disappointed but the contents of these boxes work just fine, and no, I do not get any royalties from anyone. This has been cost effective for me. I do like the performance of the Msd t/l system better (big spark) - have one- but I don't feel like paying that much money for a system for which I have to build a custom watertight enclosure that does not even use marine grade cabling. Afterall, I'm on water, not on dirt or hard surface.
out of all your skis what is the max compression you are running?
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- central florida
All my skis, including the one with t/l have a cranking pressure of 185 -190 psi (13 atm, I think). They do fine on 93 octane. From previous experience I know I could get by with 200 psi, but that gets risky if I let a racer buddy "test drive" it - yep, seized one. I helped someone install a gen 1 epic in a 235 psi engine with jetinetics f/l. Did not crank so good unless on trailer or lift pump out of water. But geez, a loop trooper with that kind of engine would be expected to have t/l.
thanks, I think this is where my troubles are coming from, Im around 220psi, does not like to crank in water unless you hold it wide open after being run hard on the buoy course. might need to upgrade my battery cables to larger gauge.
- Location
- central florida
Yes, whatever it takes to have the engine crank fast enough.- That may also be difficult with some light weight batteries.
that's the thing that has me puzzled, is even after I gulped some water in the surf and cleared it out which was about 15 minutes of cranking, the ski still never cranked slow and ran fine the rest of the day, even would start back up in the surf if I held it wide open. Went to the lake the next day to ride buoys and it still fired up 2 or 3 times. But after the end of a moto where I was pushing myself and the ski just a little bit, which was maybe a 5 or 10 minute ride, the ski would not crank back up at all, spinning over fast each time. It really doesn't make much sense. Im still left to think that heat is involved. However, my buddy who helped test these ignitions used a temp strip on them and never saw anything hot enough to register on the strip. So there is a component somewhere that is not up to par, I just haven't found it yet because the obvious items seem to be ok, stator is basically new, battery is good, coil works well, the ski turns over fast...its kind of a throw parts at it situation.
I never had this problem on stock compression, except for the very first time I ran it and I think there may have been a loose connection or the cdi was sort of "coming back to life" after sitting on the shelf for some time.
- Location
- central florida
I hear you, heat may well be an issue and a heat strip indicator attached to the housing of the unit (which is it's heatsink) may not tell you about the health of the capacitors inside. I, due to old age unfortunately, do not ride aggressively, so I'm not a good tester. I'd like to mention however, earlier in the Summer I let a friend (used to be a racer) ride one of my skis, he certainly rode it very hard for quite awhile- no problems noted! I would also like to point out that the charge coil of a stator seems to undergo some aging process, eventually the rather high voltage created seems to have an effect on the insulation properties of the winding layers. These coils then may have issues after heating up. This had me so concerned that I usually "stock" two new oem coils- and no, I don't suffer from anxiety.
Well the same scenario happened again yesterday, ran awesome for the first ride of the day when I was warming the motor up for a few minutes, and then no spark/start.
Put the stock cdi in and it worked perfectly. ( Except for the whole rev limiter thing, thats got to go!)
Put the stock cdi in and it worked perfectly. ( Except for the whole rev limiter thing, thats got to go!)
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Original, Clean and Dependable Solutions
- Location
- Rentz, GA
I've had a failing stator do that to me as well but it should be pretty easy to replicate if it's the EPIC. Would you be interested in sending it to me to test?
Yes absolutely, pm me details
masterblaster
X-H2
swap stators or charge coils and run it,if you dont mind the trauma, at least this one isnt kicking back on you starting,loosing spark is best case scenario in a failing epic
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Original, Clean and Dependable Solutions
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- Rentz, GA
The loosing spark is a new symptom if I am not mistaken. The OP posted the same issue. I haven't been following the HX3's as closely as I did the Gen 1 Epic but does that seem to be the common complaint?
masterblaster
X-H2
we had one that would loose spark,but it had the kick back start issue at some point also
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Original, Clean and Dependable Solutions
- Location
- Rentz, GA
ScottS fried his HX3 but he blew out a capacitor on it. I can't recall if he had any issues prior to that event though. IIRC, the HX3 was performing great with all the same components that gave him fits with the Gen 1 EPIC. We were all pretty stoked but it didn't last long.
Scott is one of those riders like you described earlier that rides long and hard and builds up heat. He goes through components faster than anyone I know. I throw all my products at him for field testing for this reason. If it stands up to Scott, I know I have done my job right.
Scott is one of those riders like you described earlier that rides long and hard and builds up heat. He goes through components faster than anyone I know. I throw all my products at him for field testing for this reason. If it stands up to Scott, I know I have done my job right.