Super Jet break in oil type???
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D-Roc
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i am not putting words in your mouth. sorry if it comes across that way. but there are alot of people that will read tid bits of info about stuff and then may be led to believe or come to a conclusion with regards to certain things without knowing the reasoning behind it. i experienced that running a 32:1 ratio with petroluem based oil will indeed tame down the fuel and its ability to burn. more oil does = more lube but with more buildup of the black sludge of unburnt oil. there are compromises. i like running an oil that was designed to be run at 50:1. where is Gil, he must be at work still.
Quoted Oils are not as different from each other as people think. Sure there are different solvents and additives used but as the article above states, they all start with the same base oil,
I don't know if you know this, but the base oil is not the the protection you are buying with more expensive oils. It is the use of more expensive additives. It is the additives that make the oil. Do you think the grade and quality of the additives in say Castrol GTX is the same as say the cheapest oil in the store ? That would mean it is the same oil quality and it is only extra profit on the more expensive oil.
I know Toyota used to have specific oils blended key word here is blended for their race engines. Makes you wonder why they couldn't just recommend an oil off the shelf.
I don't know if you know this, but the base oil is not the the protection you are buying with more expensive oils. It is the use of more expensive additives. It is the additives that make the oil. Do you think the grade and quality of the additives in say Castrol GTX is the same as say the cheapest oil in the store ? That would mean it is the same oil quality and it is only extra profit on the more expensive oil.
I know Toyota used to have specific oils blended key word here is blended for their race engines. Makes you wonder why they couldn't just recommend an oil off the shelf.
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D-Roc
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man i don't think my old audi would be alive and running if it didn't run on mostly Lucas. lol.
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I had a buddy who raced snowcross and was a Bombadier sponsored rider in Canada X-games. His camp was running 32:1 because they felt that it gave them more bottom end torque. The theory was that it displaced volume in the case increasing fuel/air velocity as well as sealing up the rings and giving a compression boost as well. The Bombardier oil burns very clean so fouling plugs and sludge build up in the pipe was not an issue.
You both make very good points and I have changed a few of my preconceptions based on them. The more I read, the more i see that there are some very specific breeds of oil available today and truths from 10 or so years ago need to be updated. Both engine and oil technology has come a long way in the last 10 years. A question that comes up now is why and does it only apply to certain motors or every motor? Take Bombardier, they found that the only way to get away with extracting more hp per cc than ever done before required very specific lubrication and protection. They developed a very specific blend for their application, and have evolved that blend over the years as well even though the label hasn't changed. Does mean that my engine needs the same requirements? I would think my builder would have said so if it did? Just because high tech engines exist, it doesn't mean that ours are one of them
My question now is knowing when you have one of those engines that absolutely needs that kind of specific protection. Not that running the best available wouldn't be the absolute best protection in every situation but sometimes we need the compromise.
I'm rambling on now and really gotta get going...this thread has taken up way too much of my thoughts in the last few days. Good thread though. :biggrin:
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D-Roc
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oh for sure it has been a great thread. rotax engines are true performance engines. i love them. those 600 and 800 etec motors make maximum power using little oil in the burning chamber for the best burn and clean emissions. they lube the rest of the motor with oil passages and can summerize themselves at the push of a button. the reverse button fires the motor backwards and it does it so fast from normal operating rotation. i love motors. if we are now admitting stuff i will admit that the most usuable power from a motor that i have rode, was my buddies 828 5mil motor built by TS. Reliability was never the real issue with that motor, more durability of the parts that needed to be modified to create that kind of power out of a BB 61x/62t setup. It always started, always ran the exact same, was dialed in perfect outta the box. It was unfortunate that the inner bearings did not seem to get enough quicksilver and then seize very early in its life. All the problems of building a 800ish cc motor have surely been corrected now that they get to build using their own cylinders heads and domes etc. supertune along with others such as waxhead and QJS have made posts about setups and timing and tuning, for various people. Although not directed to my setup, i was able to use that info to find power i didn't know i had. if anybody is now not going to buy a motor because of one little dis here and there from any builder then they should give there head a shake. When choosing a builder of a hull or motor which are the two hot ticket items these days one would think to look at the podiums from world finals and see who is standing there. check out the amatures and the pro class to see what kind of riding skill you think you may be able to acheive and use what they are using to help get your self there.
so who drinks coke and who drinks pepsi and are they the same?
so who drinks coke and who drinks pepsi and are they the same?
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GIL
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What are you putting in his mouth?
D-Roc
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quicksilver as per directed. 
GIL
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quicksilver as per directed.
Directed by whom?
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just got directed by Art to break in my engine at 50:1, amsoil dominator. he said i could run quicksilver if i wanted to but he runs dominator so that what i decided to go with.
GIL
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I have read all the crap oil threads for years now waiting to see if someone ever caught on to this!!! Let's think about it people, the more oil you run, the more ring pressure created therefore better/more consistant compression therefore better performance at lower RPM!!! I tell everyone I run 32:1 or 40:1 so I don't have to listen to all of the crap. If you really wanna know what I run, PM me and I will tell you. There are too many uneducated people to post it publicly and have to listen to the BS!!!
GIL
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So we are to run only Baxter and Bun motors? Is that what you are saying? Sure sounds like it.
JK
I give Team Scream pure hell all in the name of fun. When you are #1 you are sporting a HUGE bullseye on your back! I run Jetworks stuff because that is my preferance and I have a awesome relationship with Art and Robert! I am 200% completly satisfied with every last detail they give me as it seems so are all of
Team Screams customers.
GIL
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This sucks, can we find another thread and someone else to poke fun at now? I will start browsing to see what I can come up with and report back here with a link.
Where is Momar or MrSki? lol
This could be a fun one to de-rail.
http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/23873-D-roc-s-96-Rn&p=1054458#post1054458
JK
Where is Momar or MrSki? lol
This could be a fun one to de-rail.
http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/23873-D-roc-s-96-Rn&p=1054458#post1054458
JK
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D-Roc
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i got to try art's 4 mil stroker motor in a friends ski and it did not have quite the power as the 5mil but it sure lasted longer. so adding more oil makes more compression? no wonder my 1969 skidoo rips so hard at 24:1. it has very loose crank bearings so i consider it a 1.75mm stroker from the bearing play. at a wopping 250cc it is a monster to ride. watercrossings on puddles in the driveway are not a problem.
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GIL
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That is a question that is impossible to answer unless you can do a compression test while riding. It feels like it does in which is all I care about. LOL The single biggest problem in our sport is that it is not big enough for high dollar R&D and therefore 99.9% of it is all too dam subjective. What works for my setup might not work for other and vice versa. Thats my 2cents.
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GIL
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Are you talkin about the Stunt hull???
You wanna turn this into a hull debate? That could be a pretty sweet de-rail. lol There is a MAJOR participant in this very thread that is just dying to rag on RR.
I honestly think Charlie could give us alot of useless input on this thread. Is he back yet? lol Does anybody remember my BlackJack Idle video thread that he destroyed? Kinda funny how now everyone including Chuckie is running BlackJack carbs on thier setups! LMAO
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